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Gen Wars. They Need To Stop.

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by , 12th April 2013 at 08:10 AM (400 Views)
This was originally a thread, but it was closed because it would be better off as a blog post


Before I go on, this isn't an invitation to start a Gen War, or any kind of argument.
I also can't stress enough that if you stopped playing Pokemon after Gen III, or hate Gen V because of five Pokemon, either don't comment here, or politely explain your reasoning.

Okay, here it goes.
Pokemon Red and Blue have received remakes. 10 years ago. There is absolutely no reason to play either of them now. Same goes for Gold/Silver. The only reason for anyone to ever play anything pre-Gen III is for nostalgic reasons, which is fair enough, we all do it.
What I don't understand is how people say Gen III was where Pokemon went downhill. Using Cofagrigus and the Vanillite line as an example of why Gen V and Pokemon in general sucks now. I've got news for you, you grew up.
I loved the original Digimon series (not even joking), I loved the original Yugioh, I also loved the original Pokemon because I was there from the beginning. I'm sensible, I've remained a part of the Pokemon fanbase, and I don't go to Yugioh or Digimon sites and complain that the franchises are bad now, and that Yugioh got bad with GX (the series was good, I hated Jaden).

It's simple. You cherish your childhood, everyone over 16 does, but don't for one second be under the illusion that you still belong in the fanbase, because you belong here as much as I belong in the Digimon fanbase. You grew out of Pokemon, you have great memories of it, it'd over for you. Done. Finished.
You're clinging onto your best childhood experiences but at the expense of others. I'm not saying don't ever play or watch Pokemon again, nobody has the place to say that, but I am saying, on behalf of the fandom, leave us alone. This is not your fanbase, it just used to be.

I'm expecting the Gen War will be over with Gen VI, since Genwunners appear to have jumped off a cliff at the sheer sight of this new Mew thing, and actual members of the fanbase outnumber the Genwunners by many.

tldr, if you stopped playing after Ruby and Sapphire, this is not your fanbase. Find another one, stop bothering Pokemon fans.

I'm putting this thread all over the Pokemon community.

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  1. TheMissingno.'s Avatar
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    Red and Blue were different games with different mechanics, different available pokemon and different exploitable glitches than the Gen 3 remakes. Yes, there is still a reason to play them beyond nostalgic value.
  2. Karamazov's Avatar
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    And this is a diverse fandom with many outlets for everyone to work together, regardless of opinions. As long as you don't force your opinions or bash other's, you're totally welcome. No one can say that someone doesn't belong in this fandom.
    Updated 12th April 2013 at 12:09 PM by Karamazov
  3. TheMissingno.'s Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Contrary
    And this is a diverse fandom with many outlets for everyone to work together, regardless of opinions. As long as you don't force your opinions or bash other's, you're totally welcome. No one can say that someone doesn't belong in this fandom.
    Oh, so I guess that is why no one is ever permabanned from Bulbagarden? ;)
  4. Karamazov's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMissingno.
    Oh, so I guess that is why no one is ever permabanned from Bulbagarden? ;)
    This site =/= the fandom. If you violate the rules we have here, you're violating the rules of a privately-owned website and not the fandom as a whole. There are plenty of other places to go, like dA, Tumblr, FF.net, and Serebii.

    Think of it this way: If you act like a bad guest in someone's house, you're going to get kicked out. You'll still be able to stay in other houses because the world isn't contained in one building.
    Cerberuswaltz likes this.
  5. TheMissingno.'s Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Contrary
    This site =/= the fandom. If you violate the rules we have here, you're violating the rules of a privately-owned website and not the fandom as a whole. There are plenty of other places to go, like dA, Tumblr, FF.net, and Serebii.

    Think of it this way: If you act like a bad guest in someone's house, you're going to get kicked out. You'll still be able to stay in other houses because the world isn't contained in one building.
    Oh okay, so that's how you justify it to yourself. That's okay, I won't judge. ;)
  6. Infinity Mk-II's Avatar
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    omg gen vi is best generaton anything be4 it sux lolololol

    Generally, the way I see it is that it's one thing to be fan of a game or a specific thing, and a different thing to be a fan of a franchise.

    For example, I like a lot a few of the Final Fantasy games, but I in no way consider myself a fan of the series itself, because I stopped following it outside of the games I like.
    Similarly, I absolutely love Digimon Adventure and 02, but I hardly know anything of the rest of the franchise, so I wouldn't say I am a Digimon fan.

    On the other end, I like the Zelda series. I look up the different lores and follow the progression of the series itself. There are games I don't care about, like Twilight Princess, but I still follow because I know there will be more games I'll like.


    So I figure it's the same with Pokémon, you can be a fan of a particular game or two in the series, and that's fine. Or you can follow the series and simply not be happy with how one game is.
    But when you start thinking "this ruined X", and everything does no longer have the things the one or two games you liked had, that's basically your cue that it has changed and you no longer like it.
    And that is perfectly fine, you can like anything without needing to follow it.

    It's also reasonable to want to see more things like those you like, but you can't just say the franchise should go back to it, because there are other people who like other things of it, and some who will also one day see departure from that into other things.
  7. Cerberuswaltz's Avatar
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    I, for one, still like Digimon; sure, there isn't much to like but I can't help but like the designs (Gaogamon).
    Same goes for Pokemon. We do grow up, but I think a lot of people forget to remember that they are the one changing, not just the franchise they once grew and loved. It's selfish to think something popular shouldn't grow for nostalgic sake, and there will always be those who ignore any newer generations; I find those people are like that in general ("purists") and can't be reasoned with because they are used to being fed on a silver spoon or refuse to accept new things. Sure, some franchises should stop (to a point I believed this in Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's)... but Pokemon has proven to be successful and ever growing. If people don't want to play, they can; they're just isolating themselves from great games and great people because they refuse to accept change.

    As for me, I'll always like Pokemon as long as it keeps getting designed by the same guy (as I do and think with Digimon). They may be new ideas but they are stil his and still fresh; now, if they change the artist or switch over fully to the English guy that helped in BW then I don't know what'd I'd do, but I wouldn't be happy. I guess everyone has a limit or a place where they draw the line of where the franchise stops being "good"?

    And to me, that's what makes Pokemon or any franchise, like Final Fantasy (which I'm a huge fan of); the diversity. If I agreed with everyone and everyon else liked Murkrow it would be less fun and less special to me. But, because everyone doesn't like him or the same Gen then I can bond further with those who share my ideals and favorite. It's what makes the world wonderful- even if Gen Wars exist. At this point I will debate it but not argue it and, as with any argument, know when to walk away :)

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