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Ash >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Red

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by , 13th March 2013 at 02:10 PM (1285 Views)
Yeah, Ash is so much better than Red for a lot of reasons. People love to overrate Red due to nostalgia but I'm just gonna name reasons why Ash is better:

1.Ash has actual characterization, Red was like a silent emo who sat on a mountain with no characterization or personality. I can't connect with a character with no personality, characterization, or real depth.

2.Ash's Pokemon are better.

3.Ash has more Pokemon and probably more knowledge of other regions outside of early Gen 1 & 2.

4.Red won a league, Ash won a league and placed highly in all the other leagues and managed to conquer the Battle Frontier and get offered a position as a Frontier Brain. Considering how EV!Hax the BF is in-game, that's a big accomplishment.

Those are a few reasons why Ash is better than Red :>

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Updated 13th March 2013 at 02:21 PM by Bubble Frog

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  1. TheMissingno.'s Avatar
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    How do you know he was "emo" if he had no characterization?
  2. mariowie's Avatar
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    Good for you :3
  3. Bishie Karis-chan's Avatar
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    Wait, what league did Ash win? o.O
  4. Bubble Frog's Avatar
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    @Karis; Orange League :P

    @TheMissingno.; That's the point, Red is like sandpaper personality-wise. He had no significant change or character development. He had no interesting character dynamic and his whole character thrives on hype from Gen 1 nostalgia mainly. Most people who didn't play Gen 1 games ever simply don't see the big deal about Red and what makes him so amazing. Strongest NPC?
  5. speedingbulletbill's Avatar
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    Manga Red or Game Red?
  6. Bubble Frog's Avatar
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    @stickerstaryoshi; Clearly the game red, i.e. the one that sat on a mountain for years.
  7. FinalArcadia's Avatar
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    I'm not even a big Ash fan, but I have to agree. Red seems to be held in very high regard when he really - as far as the games go, manga is a different story - was no different than any other PC in the series. It does seem like a lot of the "Red is so badass and awesome" stuff comes from nostalgia... though being up on Mt. Silver is kind of cool, I will admit. XD
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  8. speedingbulletbill's Avatar
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    Red has to use levels, Ash doesn't. :P
  9. Bubble Frog's Avatar
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    Also, something to keep in mind is I imagine GF were trying to make an "enigmatic" yet badass character when they did that with Red, but N from the BW games is vastly superior at playing that the cryptic yet strong role people fawn over Red for.


    @stickerstaryoshi; Also Red's whole team is Gen 1 + Espeon. There's no variety in there. Charizard and Pikachu are frail for examples. Cynthia and Iris could kick his ass with their vastly superior pseudo-legendary Dragons for example, maybe even sweep.
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  10. Bishie Karis-chan's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by stickerstaryoshi
    Red has to use levels, Ash doesn't. :P
    Because Ash just completely ignores all the rules that everyone else has to abide by. Gameplay and Story Segregation indeed.
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  11. speedingbulletbill's Avatar
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    Alder, Ghetsis, etc. can probably beat him

    Boufflant beats Charizard with Stone Edge
    Bouffalant powers up from Venusaur (they both have Sap Sipper (lame name) right?)
    He beats the rest.
  12. Gaga's Avatar
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    Red has no personality because the player is supposed to fill in their own personality. Like, um, most silent protagonists.

    I don't like Ash because he annoys me, whereas Red does not. That's the biggest point for me. So you see, it's pure opinion.
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  13. Mijzelffan's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gotpika
    Also, something to keep in mind is I imagine GF were trying to make an "enigmatic" yet badass character when they did that with Red, but N from the BW games is vastly superior at playing that the cryptic yet strong role people fawn over Red for.
    N is not cryptic. Like at all. The first time you meet the dude it's pretty clear all he wants is to free pokémon. And that's pretty much all there's to him. Also he's never exactly strong either, Ghetsis is much harder.

    And Red isn't exactly cryptic either, he's just a silent protagonist from a previous game you can battle. You're reading too much into both characters.
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  14. HumanDawn's Avatar
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    If you call Red awesome you're calling yourself that.
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  15. TheMissingno.'s Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by HumanDawn
    If you call Red awesome you're calling yourself that.
    So people with high self-esteem should like Red and people with low self-esteem should hate him. Interesting psychological hypothesis. I wonder how well it matches up with reality.
  16. Polkadot Jolteon's Avatar
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    2.Ash's Pokemon are better.
    O_o

    No. I'm sure I read that wrong. Let's try again.

    2.Ash's Pokemon are better.
    O_o

    2.Ash's Pokemon are better.
    O_o

    2.Ash's Pokemon are better.
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  17. Bubble Frog's Avatar
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    @Polkadot Jolteon; Them not being all Gen 1 automatically overruns Red's though. P: Even then most of them are stronger without a doubt.
  18. Karamazov's Avatar
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    Red's team is
    Charizard, Pikachu, Lapras, Snorlax, Blastoise and Venusaur

    Ash has
    Charizard, Pikachu, (had a) Lapras, Snorlax, Sceptile, and Kingler, in addition to an array of powerful Pokemon like Krookodile, Infernape, Heracross, Leavanny, Corphish, Bulbasaur, Squirtle, and Swellow.

    Ash's Pikachu has canonically defeated Regice and Latios, Charizard defeated Articuno, and Sceptile defeated Darkrai.
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  19. Oswin's Avatar
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    Considering how EV!Hax the BF is in-game, that's a big accomplishment.
    Yes.... but Ash didn't fight the game versions did he?

    Either way, I like them both the same really. Ash is more likeable because he's been in the anime from the start, but (non emo) Red is pretty cool too.
  20. H-con's Avatar
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    The lengths people go to...

    But this isn't serious, right guys? Right?...
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