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I hate anime

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Blah blah meanie snob doesn't like what I like, he's an obnoxious meanie who hates everything. There. I'm summed up what I'm going to type for anyonee who'll bother to read more than 5 words of this.

The idea that people count "anime" as it's own genre is idiotic. It's a type of media. I don't care if you just like anime in general, saying that you like "anime" with zero elaboration on what kind of anime it is, is the most mindlessly vague thing ever. Calling yourself an "anime fan" is as meaningless a title as calling yourself a "music fan" or a "cartoon fan".

It's as if people expect that they'll like every anime they'll see. I can understand if you like shonen or moe, they are terribly cookie-cutter and stale genres, which is a problem in and of itself. Anime is not some monolith of perfection where every single show out there is the greatest thing ever. If you honestly expect to like every anime out there, you have no standards an terrible tastes in shows.

Moreover, most of the "anime fans" on this forum have extremely limited knowledge of what anime are out there. For people who complain about how dubs are shit all the time, it amazing how nearly every damn anime related thing I've seen on here is from something that's already been dubbed. Even when it isn't, it's usually something that's already licensed to get dubbed. It's almost as if the only reason they complain about dubs is to look like a smug bastard who's too good for English dubs. Even when they don't understand a word of Japanese and expect someone else to sub a show for them.

I know I'm probably saying all this to a site filled with people are exactly the kind of people that I keep criticizing, but I honestly hope that at least someone stops and thinks about this stuff. Maybe I am just going on about something trivial and judging people for what they like, but can you really like something if the only reason is because of an arbitrary word like "anime", "dub" or "sub"? Really?

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  1. Garren's Avatar
    I thought Avatar: The Last Airbender was a pretty good anime.
  2. Milkapoke's Avatar
    I'm a fan of Otome games and shows about men and a single girl (Reverse Harem?). That's my dish on anime. But I heartfully agree with you on some things you pointed on your post. If you like every single anime out there, something is wrong. You simply can't go about saying "I like Boku no Pico and and Hamtaro and Kare no Kyoukai and Tokyo Mew Mew because they are sooooo good." I mean, really people.

    I don't agree with your first point on Dubs vs. Subs (Since everything I watch gets dubbed after, in which then everyone finds out about it.) Thankfully, a few shows I've watched haven't been licensed yet. I have tried Dubs several times with different shows, but it has only "stuck" to me with Pokemon and Inuyasha. But I would agree with you to a T about how you said that people go around parading "Oh my GOD you watch Inuyasha in Dubs!? Oh jeez you aren't a fan at all." I'm just used to it, okay?

    And it REALLY irks me when people try to learn Japanese off of anime. I've been learning Japanese through my school and Rosetta Stone and flashcards for three years now, and I have never tried to learn it through anime. Why? It's pointless. Even if you have the subs there, can you really pick out what they're saying, word for word?

    Just my little thing on it.

    Also, I really hope the person who made the first comment was joking, since Avatar: The Last Airbender was a Cartoon, not an anime.
  3. 97SaturnSL1's Avatar
    the english versions of Samurai CHamploo and Kirby Right back at ya were WAY better then the Subs.

    I follow this rule: if the showcomes from Japan= Anime if it comes form the USA, Canada, France, China,basically everywhere except Japan = Cartoon

    Also if you compare shows such as Cow and Chicken, ANimaniacs, Edd Ed N Eddy, and Ren and Stimpy to animes such as Naruto, Pokemon,Yugiohm and Bleach, i can consider the genras differnet because most animes follow a set story line while most western shows are what came out of the writers mind

    there are only a select amount of animes i enhoy and even fewer english dubs i like. I do feel that most animes are cookie cutter and over cliched while western animation *mainly 90s* really focused on how creative, random and seeing how far they could push the envelope

    And with the reguards to Dubs... Well most of them were BAD and i mean BAD. some did have their moments but there is a good reason why 4kids went bankrupt...

    yes likeing every single anime will raise some red flags because not all of them you want to say you like depending on who you are


    And with avatar. i belive it was an "american anime" where it is an american show but drawn in an anime styling
  4. Tsurugi's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Milkapoke
    I'm a fan of Otome games and shows about men and a single girl (Reverse Harem?). That's my dish on anime. But I heartfully agree with you on some things you pointed on your post.
    Thank you. It's good to see that people are capable of agreeing even if they don't like the same things.

    And it REALLY irks me when people try to learn Japanese off of anime. I've been learning Japanese through my school and Rosetta Stone and flashcards for three years now, and I have never tried to learn it through anime. Why? It's pointless.
    I agree. Trying to learn Japanese from an anime is like trying to learn English from Spongebob. The lines they say aren't realistic and aren't really going to help say anything of any substantial. More importantly, it does nothing in helping read it. It's a waste of effort in learning words that you'll never be able to read. People could at least try find a script and try to study that instead of trying to pick out random words from 20 minutes of dialogue.

    Also, I really hope the person who made the first comment was joking, since Avatar: The Last Airbender was a Cartoon, not an anime.
    I think that's the point. The word "anime" is just the Japanese term for "cartoon", so it's really meaningless if something is an anime or not.
  5. みさあき's Avatar
    I like some anime but I am not a huge fan of it. I don't learn my words fro anime though.

    I don't understand why English dubs are horrible though, every person I've come across says that the dub voices are horrible, even in Pokemon. :[
  6. Gaga's Avatar
    I dislike almost all English dubs, and I admit it's probably a bias. Still, I have seen very few tolerable dubs where they didn't over act. And yes, I know over acting is as commonplace as grass in anime even before being dubbed, but I don't care. Because watching in a language I don't know gives the illusion of less forced acting.

    And because I prefer reading anyway. Even when watching programs in English, I tend to put on captioning.

    Anyway I think you're getting just a tad bit enthused about this. Less experienced anime fans will eventually grow to understand more about the medium. I bet you started off labeling anime as a genre as well.
  7. Tsurugi's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by FrostyGaga
    Anyway I think you're getting just a tad bit enthused about this. Less experienced anime fans will eventually grow to understand more about the medium.
    Eventually is the keyword there. Most fans I see just stagnate to the point they eat up garbage like Kodomo no Jikan with no regard for how reprehensible or terrible the contents are. I don't see a problem in calling a bad idea a bad idea. I don't see a reason to sit and wait to see if others budge from where they are. If you care about a medium, you should share your thoughts with others and see how they see it. Isn't that what a community is, or at least should be?

    I bet you started off labeling anime as a genre as well.
    Nope. At the time I came into the "anime fandom", I was very against the idea that anime should be considered its own type of show. I've never liked the idea that anime should be held on a pedestal over other shows just because they're anime.
  8. Reila's Avatar
    I don't like anime that much either, in fact, I prefer live action TV shows over animations. Japan has a lot of interesting live action shows, too bad most people only care about anime and manga. However, that is not to say that every anime is bad or anyting, in fact, there are some pretty good Japanese animations like Fullmetal Alchemist, Shin Sekai Yori, Eureka Seven and some others.
  9. Tsurugi's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Reila
    I don't like anime that much either, in fact, I prefer live action TV shows over animations. Japan has a lot of interesting live action shows, too bad most people only care about anime and manga.
    Same here, actually. I'm a complete junkie for Tokusatsu, j-dramas, and other live action Japanese stuff. It's a complete shame that most people have never heard of most of them.

    It's a funny story actually. The reason so many bad anime dubs in the 90s were made was because of Saban importing (by which I mean bastardizing) Zyuranger into Power Rangers. So basically the reason most of the current anime fandom heard of most anime in the first place is because of Power Rangers. Ironic how this is the thing that damned most Japanese live action to obscurity outside of Asia.

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