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You are not the target audience.

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by , 4th June 2012 at 03:29 PM (1347 Views)
I have to admit, I have a problem with internet fandoms. (And it's not exclusive to pokémon)

It's the general sense of entitlement fans seems to come up with at the drop of a hat. It's found in just about every fandom, and it,s ridiculous.

In short, the idea seems to go like this: "We are fans of the show, and the show wouldn't be as popular without us, therefore it's an insult/attack for the creators to take the show in different directions from what we want!"

It's bollocks.

1)A show doesn't survive on its internet fandom.

There are a few thousand active members on Bulbagarden forums. Numbers vary, but this seems about average for a discussion forum. Even putting all the major forums together, and assuming none of their active members overlap, we might not even reach the five digits. Even if we do, these numbers include a lot of people not into the anime - game fans, etc.

You don't build a show by appealing to a few thousand people. In fact, a show built to appeal to only a few thousand specific people, is going to be a dead show pretty fast, because it won't have the numbers to justify the money being sunk into producing it.

All the more so given that...

2)The internet audience is NOT representative of the overall audience.

Harsh, but true. The internet audience (especially on forums) grossly oversamples certain demographic group (call it...teenagers and young adults, introverted, prone to obsessive fascination with a show). And, of course, it grossly oversamples the "obsessing over the show" demographic, because the people who simply like the show, without being obsessed about it, aren't going to be joining online discussion forums - they'll just tune it once a week, watch their show, maybe buy a few items of merchandise.

At the end fo the day, because of the sheer number balance, it's also that second group that's going to be responsible for the success or failure of the show.

This is especially true for cases where...

3)The internet fandom is completely outside the target audience

And yes, pokémon is one of them. Pokémon aims (per ShoPro's webpage) at preschool to elementary school age kids. (My Little Pony aims even lower).

If you are outside the show's target audience, you have no right to expect the show to be made according to what you'd like to see. Period. Complaining that the writers are "pissing in your face" or similar when the problem is that you're outside the target audience altogether is in no way, frm or shape justifiable; it's self-centered to the point of idiocy.

Oh, maybe you'll get the passing nod here and there (or every other scene, as in some episodes of Friendship is Magic), but the show's plots, characters and level of continuity are going to be made with the target audience in mind, not you. Continuity will be kept to what can easily be explained within the episode (eg, either in the "Previously on..." segment, or directly referenced during the discussion), or to throw-away gags that don't impact the plot. Characters, rather than growing and evolving, will tend to revert back to their default self more often than not. Not because the writers don't care, but because the character was created the way they were in order to fill a certain role in the show's formula.

If they stop filling that role, the show's formula doesn't work anymore, and since the show's formula is what sold it to begin with, the writers are not going to want to do that without a damn good reason. A damn good reason would be flagging numbers. Not "internet fandom outside the target audience upset".

Bottom line here: accept the show for what it is. Don't expect the writers to change target audience to YOU, because that's not going to happen. Ever. You can still, of course, criticize specific elements of the show; writers are not perfect. But never forget who the target audience is, and never delude yourself in thinking the target audience could (or should) be you instead.

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  1. pokemon fan 132's Avatar
    Pretty much true. While older members sometimes come up with plausible and creative ideas which could improve this show, most of their suggestions and expectations is completely unrealistic and absurd. Like blood, violence, sex and who knows what else crazy nonsense i encounter on internet being one of reasons why writers shouldn't pay attention to older fandom, with anime being primarily written for target audience.

    However i do wish there is little more continuity and that they return some of older characters which certainly wouldn't hurt, giving chance to younger generations to get know better Ash past and throw some bone to older generations which stick with it still following series.
    That way writers would still writing for target demographic and retain or attract interest from older fandom partially appealing to both sides.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gliscor'd
    No it isn't me. There are still people out there campaigning to get Misty back into the show and it makes no sense.

    Go to google and type in various Misty keywords and you'll see. It's very rare on Bulbagarden because this place is filled with more intelligent anime fans thanks to Archaic beating down all the gaki's back in 2002 and 2003.
    Yes there are admittedly still large portion of older fandom which demands Misty return, but that doesn't mean everyone which want older character back is "unintelligent".

    I want Misty back too because i liked character with there being a lot more left to be done leaving on unfinished note, but that doesn't mean im not realistic enough to accept how chances for this are abysmal and how it most likely wont happen. I wont say its impossible because in theory she could return, being in end ultimately writers call if they want to do more with character but past showed how there doesn't exist any incentive from their side and i dealt with that long time ago. Same goes for her fanbase on bulbagarden, most which wanted her back or were her fans either left this site permanently or accepted reality letting it go.

    As for those which actively try to bring someone back, i believe its mostly because they are disappointed with way older companions are treated in show once they leave cast wishing that writers pay more attention to past and companions utilizing them if opportunity arises, instead of erasing everything like it never existed.

    However i always did wandered, how come out of all replaced companions only Misty departure caused that so much dust is lifted up dividing fandom at that time in basically two halves? I didn't see any rants or major complaints when other characters leave, nor i can say i noticed any real demand existing out there for other characters return.
    Interesting food for thought.
    Updated 11th July 2012 at 10:08 AM by pokemon fan 132
  2. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
    Because its the same reason some people obsess over the original 151 Pokemon. They were so obsessed with whatever came first that they can't bear the thought that Pokemon continues on past their childhood.

    Keep in mind I am not talking about anyone here. These are people who haven't kept up with the anime since sometime in Johto and don't even know what the show is like as they never watched a single episode past 2002.
  3. pokemon fan 132's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Gliscor'd
    Because its the same reason some people obsess over the original 151 Pokemon. They were so obsessed with whatever came first that they can't bear the thought that Pokemon continues on past their childhood.

    Keep in mind I am not talking about anyone here. These are people who haven't kept up with the anime since sometime in Johto and don't even know what the show is like as they never watched a single episode past 2002.
    I don't think you can put everyone which want Misty back in same basket with all those nostalgics which can't accept anything which cam after first generation, we all know they cannot be taken seriously. My point is that many of those people which wants Misty back watched Johto, AG, DP etc still complaining about anime wanting Misty back and i find strange how out of all replaced companions so much fuss happened only about said character departure and original trio disband. Majority of veterans from what i noticed in past 10 years want first cast reunited, so there has to be something else behind this, other than being nostalgic.
  4. Evil Figment's Avatar
    And not a shit was given about which of you has the biggest hard-on for or against Misty.

    So take it the fuck out of my blog.
  5. Archaic's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Gliscor'd
    No it isn't me. There are still people out there campaigning to get Misty back into the show and it makes no sense.

    Go to google and type in various Misty keywords and you'll see. It's very rare on Bulbagarden because this place is filled with more intelligent anime fans thanks to Archaic beating down all the gaki's back in 2002 and 2003.
    Errr....no.

    1. Your dates are about a year off. That's stuff from early 2002, and 2001. Stuff from before Bulba was relaunched with me at the helm.
    2. The Gaki's (ie. people using dub inserted evidence for PokéShipping) are a separate and distinct issue to this. Hell, I'm still in favour of them bringing back Misty myself. While I never thought the campaigns made any sense or had any opportunity of succeeding, I'm having to reassess that now that they've shown a willingness for a main girl to return with B2W2. Though I still think it's fairly unlikely.
  6. Evil Figment's Avatar
    Hell, I'm still in favour of them bringing back Misty myself.
    That would be pretty awesome.

    (Also lol at the concept of people being baka for using dub-added hints. You shippers and your silly ways)
  7. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Archaic
    Errr....no.

    1. Your dates are about a year off. That's stuff from early 2002, and 2001. Stuff from before Bulba was relaunched with me at the helm.
    2. The Gaki's (ie. people using dub inserted evidence for PokéShipping) are a separate and distinct issue to this. Hell, I'm still in favour of them bringing back Misty myself. While I never thought the campaigns made any sense or had any opportunity of succeeding, I'm having to reassess that now that they've shown a willingness for a main girl to return with B2W2. Though I still think it's fairly unlikely.
    Dawn's only staying for a short time however. She merely had a longer cameo than past girls.

    In all honestly if the writers ever DID seriously want to bring back an old female protagonist for good, Misty would probably be the last on their list.

    I'm not crazy about Dawn or anything, but it's pretty obvious the writers would make her a main charater again before they would ever bother with Misty. Her character is far more relevant to today's kids and Piplup is still insanely popular in Japan. While contests may have been axed, the fact that coordinators are also how cased as battlers as we see now says enough.

    Besides in the Takeshi Shudo blogs they basically admit that they didn't think Misty was a good female protagonist. The fact that none of the other writers bothered to revive her either since says enough in itself. I don't think anyone will deny that the writers gave Misty the worst treatment of all the main girls with very little spotlight or promotion. She'd probably be the absolute last character they would vet revive, which is precisely why they stopped giving her cameos and she hasn't appeared since 2005.

    Misty is pretty much a relic from the ancient past now. The fact that back when AG was airin very few people believed Misty would return when May was more popular at the time says enough. I wouldn't be surprised if the writers made the decision not to ever bring Misty back during 2004 once they saw how popular May and the initial success of the contests had become in the anime.
    Updated 14th July 2012 at 12:00 PM by The Fighting Misty
  8. Evil Figment's Avatar
    @Gliscor'd;

    Still not a shit was given about the size of your hard-on against Misty, Scott. We all know your opinion on the matter; if any of us needed to refresh ourselves about it there are several hundred variatinos of that post scattered over the forum.

    We don't need more.
    Druddigon likes this.
  9. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
    I am not anti-Misty, I just like explaining why she has been gone all these years in the first place. I think everyone knows that, at the latest, Misty would have returned to the cast when Hoenn ended in 2005 if the writers thought she was too popular to the series to stay gone. Instead of simply staying gone for AG, she stays gone for the next 10 years and three more generations.

    Anyway I like pre-Johto Misty just like most people do, and if Johto hadn't soured her character I might have thought of her more positively overall.

    I'd love to debate with Archaic about this topic somewhere though, if he wants to make some separate thread or blog for it.
  10. Musashi's Avatar
    aka, knock if off Scott or an infraction will follow.
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