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The ridiculous hatred against Iris

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by , 14th July 2012 at 01:37 AM (4170 Views)
Frankly, from reading around, all the complaints about how Iris "doesn't work toward her goals" sounds like people who can't get over the fact that the writers aren't devoting fifty bajillion episode to "character development" (in bracket because decent character development is the results of the events of the main plot, and happen concurrently with them, not something you put the main plot on hold for, and (generally) not the main plot itself. IE, not something you devote an episode to).

...BECAUSE THEY DECIDED TO WRITE A STORY THAT'S NOT BULLCRAP MOVING AT A FREAKING SNAIL PACE (see: everything between Kanto and BW.).

The sort of character development these people are looking for is just a slightly more sophisticated form of filler, ie a way for the writers to take three or four years to tell a story they could tell in one or two.

Could be wrong about the anime itself; three generations of the aforesaid snail-paced bullcrap have first driven me out then killed any interest I might ever have had in going back in (yes, your lauded DP did that, because it was still snail-paced). Even if BW actually sound like watchable.

Am definitely certain a very large number of Iris haters would write horribly neverending stories and think that's proper storytelling.

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Updated 14th July 2012 at 01:50 AM by Evil Figment

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  1. The Outrage's Avatar
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  2. Evil Figment's Avatar
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    It would be very hard to know that anime-iris doesn't train. At most you might know that she's not shown training on screen. Which she shouldn't (at least not more than once in a while, or by very brief references): training is not a plot, it's not part of a plot, it's something the characters should be assumed to be doing behind the scenes.

    Like going to take a dump. Training is about as relevant to the plot, and about as interesting.
  3. The Outrage's Avatar
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    You're right about that. Even game-Iris' training is technically off-screen.

    Though, you'd have to be blind to not notice that Iris' anime portrayal has, on multiple occasion, been doing her whole Dragon Whisperer thing that she's supposed to be able to do in the games as well.
  4. Bishie Karis-chan's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Figment
    It would be very hard to know that anime-iris doesn't train. At most you might know that she's not shown training on screen. Which she shouldn't (at least not more than once in a while, or by very brief references): training is not a plot, it's not part of a plot, it's something the characters should be assumed to be doing behind the scenes.

    Like going to take a dump. Training is about as relevant to the plot, and about as interesting.
    ....I never thought of it that way. I guess that'd make sense, then.
  5. Iteru's Avatar
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    What is your opinion regarding fans of Iris who also share some views that parts of Iris' storyline is not up to par or badly handled?
  6. Karamazov's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Figment
    It would be very hard to know that anime-iris doesn't train. At most you might know that she's not shown training on screen. Which she shouldn't (at least not more than once in a while, or by very brief references): training is not a plot, it's not part of a plot, it's something the characters should be assumed to be doing behind the scenes.

    Like going to take a dump. Training is about as relevant to the plot, and about as interesting.
    She actually does train on-screen a few times. But it's not as ungodly long a session as a DP training episode.
  7. Winterdaze's Avatar
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    This is why I don't watch the anime for its storytelling.
  8. CrackFox's Avatar
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    She trains on-screen often, not as much as Dawn, about as much as May for example. Almost every tournament she enters, she uses her Pokemon in crisis situations almost all the time. People need to stop expecting so much. DP was focused far too much on the showing of training. It got boring quickly, we don't need to see it to that extent. It's obviously a given that any Pokemon trainer who has any skill, trains to earn it, we don't need the showing of it taking up full episodes, it's unnecessary. They've definitely done the right thing in cutting down the training in BW. Doesn't mean it's not happening, just means we don't have to waste episodes seeing it happen. Iris gets involved more than enough and displays enthusiasm for battles all the time.
  9. Tsutarja's Avatar
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    You just earned all my respect for this blog entry.At least there are some sane persons left in this world.
  10. Evil Figment's Avatar
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    What is your opinion regarding fans of Iris who also share some views that parts of Iris' storyline is not up to par or badly handled?
    That there may well be room for legitimate criticism of Iris's plot arc; I don't know, but that the notion that "she gets everything without training" seems to have a lot in common with bad expectations resulting from the fact that fans of the series today are those who have come to consider a story dragging on forever and ever to be "normal".
  11. Bikini Miltank's Avatar
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    Iris is handled about the same as Misty/May/Dawn. Dawn arguably had slightly more focus, but that was in part because the third character, Brock, had devolved into scenery at that point, with the writers unable to find anything to do with him. Iris has Cilan to compete with, and so is in the limelight a little less.

    Iris' main crime in the eyes of the complainers is not being Misty/May/Dawn (whichever of the girls the complainer most favors). Thus she cannot be as good as they are, and every perceived flaw is blown up and scrutinized, lest anyone forget that Misty/May/Dawn would never do that. Dawn would never call Ash a kid, right? Right? (Episode 87 of BW would like to make your acquaintance)

    Does Iris get bad writing? Sure she does. This is the Pokemon anime we're talking about. It's entertaining and fun, but it ain't Shakespeare. Those complaining that Iris achieves things without deserving them would do well to remember the first season of the anime, where Ash won a number of badges that he really shouldn't have. If you don't like Iris because she isn't Misty/May/Dawn, that's a good enough reason by itself. It isn't necessary to dissect every BW episode to prove your point.

    You want to know my justification for liking Iris? She has neat hair. I don't require any more than that. It's okay to like or dislike a character for superficial reasons. You don't need to justify it scientifically.
  12. Evil Figment's Avatar
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    Keep your conspiracy theories to your own freaking blog, user whose comment I just deleted. Your nonsense is already painful enough on the forum without having to endure it on my own blog too.
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  13. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
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    I think people feel that Iris is just shown to be too perfect, especially compared to the other main characters. Ash, May and Dawn all started off as rookie trainers who gradually got stronger as their stories progressed. They were shown to fail, get better, fail again, and then improve. Brock and Cilan started off as mature trainers so they could take care of the group but also had interesting character quirks. Max and Tracey were kinda filler characters, but nobody cares about them.

    I don't want to mention you-know-who again, but at least she had many flaws and interesting quirks about her pre-Johto, and she was never shown to be a great battler and came across as having conflicted emotions most of the time.

    Iris has none of that. I really thought she would be interesting at the beginning, but as it stands now she's probably going to wind up being remembered as the worst-handled female protagonist of the series. Of all 4 girls, it doesn't surprise me that Iris is the only one who didn't really gain a huge fanbase in the series. I hear she's also the least popular female in Japan too...although for there I imagine its for other reasons like the lack of you know what.
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  14. pokemon fan 132's Avatar
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    I believe on large part people dislike toward Iris comes from fact how many of fans got used to female protagonists, contests, and co- star status Dawn shred with Ash, working under presumption how next girl will receive even more screen time than previous one8 basing it on Dawn getting more than May did, May more than Misty etc).

    However once they found out Iris is going to be girl sidekick thy were probably disappointed on large part having hard time to deal with main female getting less focus than her predecessor. That's why you can hear how "she doesn't train her pokemon like Dawn did", "she isn't doing token collecting quest like contests were", "she never struggles or go to lousing streak like Dawn did" etc.

    Which is bull, because character don't need to go though replica of someone else growth to advance forward. Although admittedly that Dragonite capture came in extremely rushed and poorly planned way not helping her Axew growth much at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gliscor'd

    I don't want to mention you-know-who again, but at least she had many flaws and interesting quirks about her pre-Johto, and she was never shown to be a great battler and came across as having conflicted emotions most of the time.
    Misty had many interesting flaws and quirks about her in Johto and beyond too which allowed for great development stepping out if sisters shadow, getting over Gyarados fear, growing more mature. Majority liked her growth in AG back than .
    Updated 15th July 2012 at 05:01 AM by pokemon fan 132
  15. 투 애니원's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gliscor'd
    I think people feel that Iris is just shown to be too perfect, especially compared to the other main characters. Ash, May and Dawn all started off as rookie trainers who gradually got stronger as their stories progressed. They were shown to fail, get better, fail again, and then improve. Brock and Cilan started off as mature trainers so they could take care of the group but also had interesting character quirks. Max and Tracey were kinda filler characters, but nobody cares about them.

    I don't want to mention you-know-who again, but at least she had many flaws and interesting quirks about her pre-Johto, and she was never shown to be a great battler and came across as having conflicted emotions most of the time.

    Iris has none of that. I really thought she would be interesting at the beginning, but as it stands now she's probably going to wind up being remembered as the worst-handled female protagonist of the series. Of all 4 girls, it doesn't surprise me that Iris is the only one who didn't really gain a huge fanbase in the series. I hear she's also the least popular female in Japan too...although for there I imagine its for other reasons like the lack of you know what.
    I think Iris' failures come from her inability to control her Pokemon (Excadrill, Dragonite and Emolga) but at the end of the day she gets through that. Prime example would be that episode where Georgia debuted. She understood why Excadrill disobeyed her and she then overcame it. Lets not forget that he has been disobeying her since she was a kid, she struggled making him obey her again and she struggled understanding what was wrong with him. Emolga is questionable since she started obeying Iris out of nowhere. We'll see how she overcomes with Dragonite. Hopefully it will be handled like with Excadrill and not Emolga.
  16. Adyniz's Avatar
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    Fuck Iris *cough* I mean... Your blog certainly helped me to see her saint(ishly)-pacing-development from writers' point of view, and not in a bad way.
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  17. Masurao's Avatar
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    @Evil Figment

    How do you feel about the notion that they are making Iris overpowered/too perfect, compared to some of the other characters throughout the shows history...that people (myself included) have stated?
    Updated 15th July 2012 at 11:05 AM by Masurao
  18. Bikini Miltank's Avatar
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    I love how people are complaining about the details of a capture that hasn't happened yet.
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  19. Evil Figment's Avatar
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    It may well be true, or it may not (I haven't watched the anime since the three generations of drag-on crap); but if so, the focus on the "lack of training" and similar arguments are nonsense.

    Even if it's true, in my opinion it involves fixing a long standing idiocy of pokémon were being a powerful trainer with powerful pokémon was somehow bad. I'm glad we finally have a trainer with one of the pseudo-legendaries among the main. I might have prefered for it to be Ash, but Iris will do.

    Admitedly, Ash should receive a similar powering up if that's what they're doing.
  20. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
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    Having an all powerful trainer from the start means little development. It's kinda like how Brock couldn't be developed any further so they just had his repetitive gags take over the character.
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