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Why Kyurem WON'T get a new forme!

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by , 1st January 2012 at 12:14 PM (2322 Views)
I know every fandom is known for baseless speculation and that Pokémon isn't the only one. Some of them, like people wanting remakes of Ruby and Sapphire are somewhat justified due to past events. One that I can't seem to get my head around though, is why people expect the Boundary Pokémon, Kyurem to receive another form (or "forme" as they seem to be known as in Pokémon lore).


As many of you are aware, Kyurem is considered to be the third part of Unova's Tao Trio, alongside Reshiram and Zekrom. Reshiram was the mascot of Black and Zekrom was the mascot of Pokémon White, so like Rayquaza (Emerald) and Giratina (Platinum) before it, it is widely speculated that Kyurem will be the mascot of Generation V's "third version", which has been dubbed by fans as Pokémon Grey Version (or "Gray" if you can't spe-I mean, speak American English. No, I will not stop with the American English jokes).

Now, I see no reason to doubt that much. Considering how in my previous entry, I made it clear that the third version will be released in Japan this year, as will this:


Emerald and Destiny Deoxys were both released in Japan in 2004 and Platinum was released in 2008, as was Giratina and the Sky Warrior. Both of those films saw the version mascots of the games playing rather big roles in those respective movies. Although not released in the same year, Pokémon 4Ever was the next movie after the release of Crystal; with that movie seeing Suicune playing a rather strong supporting role.

So now we've established that Kyurem will be the mascot of the next movie (GameFreak could throw us a curve ball with Cobalion, but the only time a non-trio member was made the third version mascot in Japan was with Generation II, as Lugia and Ho-Oh are a duo not a trio), you might be asking "What does this have to do with Kyurem not getting another forme?". Well, I'll explain:

People are expecting Kyurem to receive another forme because Giratina was given one, right? Well, where are Blastoise's, Suicune's and Rayquaza's other formes? Simple - they don't have them. Remember how in my previous post regarding RS remakes and the third version where I stated that something has to happen twice for us to suspect a pattern, but three or more times for us to confirm a pattern? Well, this has only happened once. It's safer to assume that Giratina, Shaymin and Rotom receiving new forms/formes in Platinum was a one off. You know what supports this theory of mine?:


Both Meloetta's Aria and Pirouette forms are included in the programming of Black and White. The Pokémon Company and GameFreak obviously plan and co-ordinate the movies and game releases, hence why the Platinum forms weren't included in Diamond and Pearl. However, it seems Game Freak learned something and decided to include the currently unreleased Meloetta's alternate forme in Black and White to avoid the compatibility problems that occurred in Generation IV, as Diamond, Pearl and Battle Revolution didn't have the new Platinum forms included in their programming. Game Freak must have known that Meloetta would not be released before Unova's third version; so if Kyurem was to receive a new forme, then why wasn't that included as well - heck, they even made it so Meloetta's Pirouette form can't be unlocked without an event, so they are planning ahead for a giveaway. I've seen some arguments like "Well Kyurem's special because of Grey". Well, tell me why a Mythical Pokémon such as Meloetta isn't just special?

Now, the bimonthly issue of Bessatsu CoroCoro is reported as saying that in Kyurem VS The Sacred Swordsmen, Kyurem has a "mystery hidden" inside it and that "Kyurem's unseen power will be revealed". Now, I honestly think the speculation in that article is absolute nonsense, as is the title "New Forme for Kyurem Officially Hinted At?". However, this isn't an article about me bashing another fansite, so I'll focus on the facts in the article.

"Kyurem's unseen power will be revealed" is the first myth I will bust. This is as generic as generic statements get. You want to know why Kyurem's power is unseen? Because the Pokémon has yet to be seen in the anime yet! It's just a flashy sentence to help sell a movie, nothing more. As for the "mystery hidden" in Kyurem? I'm putting my money on that being something related to the movie's story more than anything - such as why Kyurem is battling against the Sacred Swordsmen (or Muskadeers as I like to call them) and its relation to the movie's story as a whole.

Now, I've seen some theories floating around about Kyurem being the corpse of the original dragon that Reshiram and Zekrom were according to Unova legend. The only thing that I can possibly think of to justify this is Reshiram being based on yin, Zekrom being based on yang and Kyurem supposedly being based on wuju - the absence of the former two and the hypothetical link between it its ice-typing and a lack of energy, which counteracts Reshiram's fire and Zekrom's electricity. However, in Black and White themselves, the only suggestion we have about Kyurem's origin is the legend of it coming from a meteorite (and of course, space is apparently really cold). I highly doubt we'll find out Kyurem's true connection until the third version though - like how we didn't know Giratina's story until Platinum. I believe the theory about Kyurem being the corpse or leftovers of the original dragon is nonsense though - heck, if that was the case, wouldn't it have made more sense for Reshiram and Zekrom to appear in Kyurem VS The Sacred Swordsmen, like how Dialga and Palkia appeared in Giratina and the Sky Warrior? It's obvious that Keldeo will be included on the poster and title at a later date, but I see no reason for them hiding Reshiram and Zekrom if they were going to appear. Then again, Destiny Deoxys didn't explain Rayquaza's connection to Groudon and Kyogre, so who knows? Hopefully we'll find out what the deal is with Kyurem when the third version is released - but rest assured, I highly doubt there will not be a new forme for our asymmetrical ice dragon.

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  1. Space Opera's Avatar
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    Kyurem's "unseen power" = Freeze Shock and Ice Burn.
  2. Kyumorph's Avatar
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    Because Glaciate kinda sucks.
  3. Karamazov's Avatar
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    Good points made, but I'm going to disagree. Kyurem looks crippled and incomplete, and its base stats are 20 points lower than the other two dragons. For its sake, I hope it has an alternate forme so it doesn't look like a plucked turkey.
  4. Itsuki's Avatar
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    There are also 'unused' items in the programming for BW that also could point to usage for Kyurem. There's a 'grey stone' of some sort similar to the white/black ones used to summon Reshiram/Zekrom, if I remember correctly, and I really don't see any other Pokemon they could be used for. o_o;
    Space Opera and Umbramatic like this.
  5. Ghetsis-Dennis's Avatar
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    I think the whole "Hidden Mystery" thing has something to do with the two unreleased moves: Freeze Shock and Ice Burn, which will be later used in the third version.
  6. Infinity Mk-II's Avatar
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    I think the speculation of the second form comes entirely out of Kyurem being weaker than the other two members of the trio. However that doesn't hold, as Rayquaza is stronger than the other two members, and Giratina had always the same stats as the other two and got the form.

    Not to mention it isn't in the games, so it simply can't be that. It'd cause compatibility issues they'd have foreseen, and they know the fandom would expect another form so it'd make no sense to sacrifice compativility for hiding something like that. They certainly have something in stock for Kyurem, but a form isn't it. Best guess are simply the moves, but who knows, maybe there's something completely different.
  7. Ranger Jack Walker's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halcyon
    Kyurem's "unseen power" = Freeze Shock and Ice Burn.
    But both moves suck big time so...
  8. Joshawott's Avatar
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    In regards to Kyurem's base stats, as others have pointed out - Rayquaza's isn't the same as Groudon's and Kyogre's and Giratina's is the same as Dialga and Palkia's before Origin Giratina came along.

    Quote Originally Posted by Itsuki
    There are also 'unused' items in the programming for BW that also could point to usage for Kyurem. There's a 'grey stone' of some sort similar to the white/black ones used to summon Reshiram/Zekrom, if I remember correctly, and I really don't see any other Pokemon they could be used for. o_o;
    The "God Stone" as I've seen it referred to makes me think that GameFreak put it in as they know that when making Grey, they'll be working heavily on Black and White's engine, so it's just taking a bit of a short cut.
  9. Shiny Celebi's Avatar
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    There's still a chance it'll get another form. I dont want to say it wont get one and I also dont want to say it definately will. We really have no idea at this point what will happen. Im going to have to disagree with this blog.
  10. Mijzelffan's Avatar
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    I highly doubt there will not be a new forme for our asymmetrical ice dragon.
    Wait, what? Then why this entire article?
  11. BHAVL8R's Avatar
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    Meloetta having an alternate form and the lack of Kyurem's alternate form in black and white mean nothing. Meloetta's form changes when it uses relic song in battle. No different then Shaymin and Giratina changing with items and Castform changing with the weather.

    How many people out there play for the story? Don't get me wrong there are quite a few but storyline itself isn't going to keep people interested. Just releasing Gray (if they do) with a new storyline isn't going to make people buy it. Thats partly what they are trying to do, make money. I know i'm probably taking this to far but I believe Gray is going to have something unique about it. It might not be a new Kyurem form (which would be awesome). I mean what are they gonna do with black city and white forest?

    We can't know everything. Best thing to do is sit back and watch the world of pokemon evolve as you play along... I know I am
  12. Joshawott's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by BHAVL8R
    Meloetta having an alternate form and the lack of Kyurem's alternate form in black and white mean nothing. Meloetta's form changes when it uses relic song in battle. No different then Shaymin and Giratina changing with items and Castform changing with the weather.

    How many people out there play for the story? Don't get me wrong there are quite a few but storyline itself isn't going to keep people interested. Just releasing Gray (if they do) with a new storyline isn't going to make people buy it. Thats partly what they are trying to do, make money. I know i'm probably taking this to far but I believe Gray is going to have something unique about it. It might not be a new Kyurem form (which would be awesome). I mean what are they gonna do with black city and white forest?

    We can't know everything. Best thing to do is sit back and watch the world of pokemon evolve as you play along... I know I am
    Sure, Meloetta's form changes due to using an attack. However, Black and White are the first games with Meloetta in - GameFreak could have easily designated a different method if they wanted to. Meloetta will not be distributed before Grey is released, so why did they bother programming it into BW? For compatibility? I'd guess that's the reason. However, said idea of keeping compatibility will be ruined by introducing a new forme mid-generation.

    Obviously Grey will have something unique about it - things like a possible Battle Frontier. However, bringing up Black City and White Forest does mean nothing here.
  13. Joshawott's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mijzelffan
    Wait, what? Then why this entire article?
    Haha; slight wording error there xD
  14. Karamazov's Avatar
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    Yeah, Kyurem won't get a new forme. :P
  15. Frugrow's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karamazov
    Yeah, Kyurem won't get a new forme. :P
    Even with the recent discovery, it still isn't 100% confirmed that Kyurem will get another form. I'd gamble to say more like 75%.

    If it does get one, I hope it looks even more badass than Giratina's origin form. :)

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