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by , 13th September 2011 at 12:03 AM (568 Views)
Do the disciples of Generation III get to join we disciples of Generation I or Generation II as nostalgiafags?

It's been 8 1/2 years, people. American Idol was in it's second season, the original run of Futurama was still on the air, and Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban was still filming. Ruby and Sapphire ain't the new kids on the block anymore.

Time to grow up and realize that you're one of us now, kiddies. Wear those rose-colored spectacles proudly.

Seriously now. This mini-rant came from Anonymous Tumblr users who were devout Gen III fans still tossing the "nostalgiafag" label at me for posting a humorous observation on my first run of Silver as a child. I don't quite understand why it's Gen III fans who populate the majority of those with the affinity for using "nostalgiafag" on all those who dig the games before their favorites. Especially since Gen III is at this point older than Gen II was when I started getting flak.

I guess this is just my roundabout way of saying people are idiots, and they'd rather hurl less-than-fitting, ironic insults at each other than debate the merits of something as trivial as a fucking video game. And we wonder why America is in the shitter.
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  1. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
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    I sense bitterness in here from a Kanto/Johto fan that people have fond memories of Gen III.

    Now you're upset that said fans not only can get away with calling you guys out, but now you don't want them to have fond memories of the games either.
  2. Nelly's Avatar
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    @Gliscor'd: A troll is a troll is a troll is a troll.

    And no, I'm simply pointing out that my love of Gen II as a video game doesn't stem from nostalgia (I'm able to separate craft from memories connected to the craft), and that those select fans of Generation III who are still under the impression that their favorite generation is all that new simply don't know how to construct an argument.

    And what sucks is they could have one. The quality of the Pokemon series is more relative than that of most. Whether you like A, B, C, D or E is all based on your aesthetic preferences and whether you dig the little details and nuances that make each generation different. They are all, more or less, the same game. None of them are broken and none of them are bad. The same can be said of the early Tony Hawk games or the Madden series when broken down by system. My problem lies when I say; "I prefer Gen II because of A, B, and C" and the response is "Pfft. You're just a nostalgiafag." It's moronic.
  3. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
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    So if every game is the same, (which it is, just with the towns and routes organized differently), then why do people get more enjoyment of some games than others?
    It can't just be the pokemon of each generation. And since every game is the same badge quest, then what accounts for the different level of enjoyment?

    And likewise, the reason why these stereotypes happen is because they have seeds of truth.
  4. Nelly's Avatar
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    @Gliscor'd: As I said; "Whether you like A, B, C, D or E is all based on your aesthetic preferences and whether you dig the little details and nuances that make each generation different."

    Where I place each generation of the Pokemon series on my own List o' Pokemon Games By Quality is based on a combination of little things. Do I think the Pokemon are, by and large, cool? The whole point of playing Pokemon is to lose yourself in a world where you get to control little pets that fight and kickass. If I don't think many of them look like something I'd own in real life, well fuck, I'm a bit screwed. Music plays a part. So does new features, or removal of features (for instance, I love the whole Apricorn system. I love the idea of collecting nuts or fruits or whatever the fuck they are and turning them into portable homes for your Pokemon. It gave the whole thing a bit more do-it-yourself oomph, especially for the series' target audience). Whether I dig the layout of a region also factors into my pros/cons scale (I wasn't a fan of all the surfing/diving in Gen III). And replay value is one of the bigger factors (I have more fun playing though Gen II once a year or so than I do the others. It's just taste.)

    When it comes down to it, I like to be lost in video games. I like to let myself have a visceral response to what is happening as if I'm the character I'm playing. That's why I love the Pokemon series; it's a simple concept that fits my criteria for what I want out of a gaming experience.

    And for the record, my List o' Pokemon Games By Quality breaks down like this:

    1. Gen II
    2. Gen V/Gen I (I bounce back and forth here. Enough time hasn't passed for me to gauge Gen V's real replay value.)
    3. Gen IV
    4. Gen III


    Now, I'd argue that if the "nostalgiafag" argument held up, my list would look something like this, don't you think?:

    1. Gen I
    2. Gen II
    3. Gen III
    4. Gen IV
    5. Gen V
    Updated 13th September 2011 at 12:54 AM by Nelly
  5. Pyradox's Avatar
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    I think you become a real Nostalgion when your Gen becomes a remake. Hold on tight, Ruby.
  6. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
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    So what do you want this blog to accomplish, honestly? Tell people who like Gen III that they can no longer use the nostalgia argument?

    What brought about this blog, honestly? Seems like something is bothering you that you decided to "make some type of point" the world can see.
  7. Nelly's Avatar
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    @Gliscor'd:
    Quote Originally Posted by Me (Jacob)
    This mini-rant came from Anonymous Tumblr users who were devout Gen III fans still tossing the "nostalgiafag" label at me for posting a humorous observation on my first run of Silver as a child.
    I figured since it was Pokemon I might as well post it here too. And I think "You can't use the 'nostalgiafag argument' anymore." is a valid point to make. After all, if I'm still getting flak then that means it is still being used. Also I like stirring discussion of some kind. Usually the only way to do that is to use strong language (albeit sarcastically). No one responds to politeness other than to agree. When I have an opinion I want the other side to speak up, and I want the other side to have a point. This may seem like a silly topic to try to stir conversation with, but it was a very impulsive blog entry (most of mine, or anyone's for that matter, are), written with my tongue in my cheek (again, as most of mine are).
  8. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
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    Funnily enough, most people will never allow Hoenn (or Sinnoh when it starts getting old too), be considered an "old" generation. Even though R/S debuted nearly 9 years ago in Japan now, its still not considered "old."

    I have no clue why. I guess its these Kanto/Johto fans don't like the idea of Hoenn being considered as old or "retro" as Kanto/Johto have become.

    Fun fact: Take your current age and subtract 9 years...and I think just about everyone here will realize they were pretty much kids or in their early teens when R/S originally came out. Get over it, its part of peoples childhood.
  9. Beausoleil's Avatar
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    You have to acknowledge that RSE added tons of mechanics that would become extremely prominent in later years, such as Natures, abilities, and Double Battles, as well as streamlining the Box system that had been absolutely terrible in previous games.
  10. Mijzelffan's Avatar
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    Generation III was a complete overhaul in the mechanics of the series, which is probably the reason people still draw the line between it and the previous generations.
  11. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mijzelffan
    Generation III was a complete overhaul in the mechanics of the series, which is probably the reason people still draw the line between it and the previous generations.
    Which is my point. R/S could be a decade old yet people won't consider it an old generation.
  12. Oswin's Avatar
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    Nostalgiafag is an awful term.
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  13. Silktree's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gliscor'd
    R/S could be a decade old yet people won't consider it an old generation.
    Then why do they want the games to be remade?
  14. Mijzelffan's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silktree
    Then why do they want the games to be remade?
    They just do. People aren't always the most logical beings.
  15. Ranger Jack Walker's Avatar
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    Only if they act like them.

    Nostalgiafags =/= Fans of Gen I/II

    Nostalgiafags = fans of older generations who refuse to accept anything past their own favourite generation and refuse to see anything good in the later games and at the same time, also refuse to see even a single flaw in the older ones.

    Fans of Gen III who fit the above description have been nostalgiafags ever since DP came out.
    Fennel likes this.

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