dman_dustin

A lot of people who are faithful to the original say that the dub version was horribly written. I don't really care to give an opinion, since I have no current legal way to know what was said in the original.

But there's one thing I want to address and it really confuses. Maybe I'm just not understanding, and even though English is my native language, I do admit I might be ignorant about certain things, so maybe someone can explain it to me.

Now I'm going to post what Dogasu said in his comparison.

There's this whole "anti-fighting" message going on in the dub which many movie critics jumped on as "hypocritical" and "unneeded." And they're right--these people are pokemon trainers, people who make their pokemon battle one another on an almost daily basis. That's like having a Jewish vegetarian going to a BBQ and eating all the pork chops in sight.

The whole message was added by the dubbers to make the movie more preachy. Good job, you've succeeded in making the film a mere shadow of itself. You should be proud.

What really doesn't help in my understanding of this problem, is what was going on in the original at least I'm not quite understanding what was going on.

Because the way Dogasu words it, in my opinion implies that originally, the human trainers were pretty much fine what was happening outside of

And then everyone expresses fear that the pokemon will never give up, resulting in their deaths.

Now the thing that confuses me is the whole apparent "anti-fighting" message the dub apparently has going for it and how unneeded and hypocritical it is.

Because when you say things like that, it's like sure Pokemon fight for sport, for fun, humans do it as. But apparently it's wrong to condone when the fighting is being done "to the death."

For a human example, oh if you like boxing, wrestling and professional fighting, then what right do you have to condone "Person X" for stabbing and murdering and killing "Victim A" after all they were fighting. It was obviously to the death, but it was still fighting.

Here I am going. "What?" "What?" "What?"

I just don't understand that concept. So if someone "fights" in a professional, rule ridden, for fun way, apparently they aren't allowed to condone murder due to brutal, no rule fighting, where only one person will come out of it alive without coming off as hypocritical?

Aren't they two different things though?

Fighting with rules, are a test to see who the better competitor is, in a fairly safe environment, I mean yes Death is a possibility (like how Pikachu nearly almost died battling Sho's Raichu in that DP episode), but the death rate obviously has to be significantly lower than if two people were fighting to the death.

Now I suppose "invading one's territory" plays a large reason for why this is a problem with "fighting to death" in the original but there are no rules, and I though that was what the dub was going for with their whole "anti-fighting" message.

So I'm confused, I don't really see it as some propaganda 4Kids was spewing out of their mouths. Do not fight, it is bad.

I for one understood that the way the Pokemon were fighting each other was bad, it was completely different than what Pokemon battles are supposed to be about. Never in the history of Pokemon (outside Unown's Entei about to snap Charizard's neck), have I seen such ruthless, disgusting battling.

So I don't understand the criticism for 4kids on this whole thing. I think maybe a large portion of my confusion is what's happening in the original, and how apparently it was so drastically different to what was happening in the dub, that everything about the 4kids was so hypocritical.

Could someone please enlighten me, or help me understand, because I just don't see how "hypocritical" and "unneeded" it was. I mean what you'd rather the dub have the human character's not give a rat's ass about their Pokemon as their Pokemon being pummelled to death by their somehow superior clones?

Because quite frankly those are the only two options the dub really had as far as I can see. Make it seem like fighting to the death in such a torture-like manner is A-Okay, or condone that type of behavior.

Again, someone please help clarify this whole confusing mess.