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But if Hilda/Hilbert were already chosen by Zekrom/Reshiram in the respective versions (or the timelines), isn't the person Kyurem is seeking for (the one who could experience more than one universe) supposed to be someone else? A completely different person?

Not necessarily. The fact that Hilbert/Hilda didn't experience both universes in Black and White does not mean that they don't have the potential to do so in the future; I'll explain this eventually. But yes, one of the points in the story is that Kyurem won't see the protagonist as the chosen one.

Being in a less industrialized and more traditional region would make sense given the dialogue in anville, though given that they were talking about the old train models, perhaps its going to be more steampunk? It would actually be interesting to see how Pokemon is incorporated to their technology. I had always though the Klink line could feed the industrial revolution, so I was pleased when I saw the stuff Mannes used in M14 (on an unrelated note, I sometimes theorize about a Pokemon game in space colonies with artificial gravity maintained by Clefairy)

I'm not entirely sure on the idea of the BW-PC being the main characters again. I've read your posts regarding this, and it is interesting and would justify having to start from scratch. Honestly, I think my only reason against it is that I didn't like the PC. Though, what do you think of the idea of N being the PC? So far, we have two possible candidates for king, and N would definitely start from scratch. However, rather than releasing his Pokemon, he'll keep them now as he's trying to learn about the bonds between Pokemon and humans. The only problem with that is the lack of gender choice.

Steampunk would be interesting to see, but what I mean is that at least some parts of the region would look medieval so that Team Plasma would feel right at home. Everything about Medeara would look out of date by modern standards, but certainly, there could be nods to different eras and there wouldn't have to be a homogeneous design to the region.

Why didn't you like the PC? Did you think they had everything handed to them? Even if that were true, it wouldn't have to be the case again. The problem with N isn't just limited to the lack of gender choice, which is a pretty huge hurdle in itself. N is supposed to speak; he will no doubt have things to say that won't necessarily occur to everyone playing the game. Making him the player character might lend him a more heroic aspect, but I question if that is the best kind of role for him.

I really like this theory! I like that the new region would be based off of Britain. I just have a couple questions concerning minor details:

1) How would N know that Ghetsis escaped being taken into custody and is currently on the run? Ghetsis' escape occurred during N's departure, so I was under the impression that N has no knowledge of this.
2) If the player character loses all their items in the sequels, then wouldn't that include the three orbs? If the three orbs are meant to function as tracking devices, then this would become a moot point if they player character loses all their items.

1) N left the castle after Ghetsis had been escorted out by Alder and Cheren, and we know that the ambush happened outside. I think N could have easily noticed what was happening, but failing that, he could have found out about Ghestsis' escape from Anthea and Concordia.

2) I meant that the tracking device will lead to the player character being ambushed by the Shadow Triad, and then their items will be stolen.

Pretty interesting theory, I actually hope that they implement something like this. A more older and traditional version of Unova reminds me of how Johto is to Kanto, and since Unova is based off of America then Britain or England would make sense in that regard. Hopefully though, if they do indeed go this route then I hope that the region will be alot more deep and fleshed out than the actual Sevii Islands were, and maybe just a little bit bigger to explore in.

I was wondering about how the badges would be handled, since this is a sequel and I honestly don't see much time passing between BW & BW2. Having them be secondary or explained as places to train to fight Ghetsis would be a nice way to handle it.

I don't like the PC for shallow aesthetic reasons :P

But on top of that, I'd like the PC to not be the chosen one given the role they played in N's development. I honestly want a return to normal protagonists since it shows even normal people can achieve great things rather than "you have to have something special about you". Certainly, it seems more like N picked the protagonist rather than the dragon.

Originally Posted by The Outrage

Certainly, it seems more like N picked the protagonist rather than the dragon.

Which can be used as a plot point here. Hilbert/Hilda is normal and they only stood out to N for how happy their Pokémon were to be with them. Whether or not they're special has yet to be determined.

It's not as though there can't be a new protagonist, but then the games will have to juggle between N, the previous protagonist and the new one. That personally does not appeal to me, and there is so much that can be done with the idea of a person who has already proved themselves but has had everything taken away from them.

But the player character's Pokemon being happy with them is what got N interested and he said that he battled the player to test his beliefs about Pokemon teaming with humans. It was the one individual that started it for him.

A new player character could help N confirm that Pokemon and humans could be happy together and help him learn about human social lives. A second experiment or formula, if you will.

I don't think the new story should revolve around N and what he still needs to learn. Having him gradually become open to working alongside other people, and not just the protagonist, would be the best development for him in this specific regard.

I guess that some of you don't like the idea of N meeting Hilbert/Hilda again, as they seemed to part ways in the end of Black and White. Well, they certainly didn't think Ghetsis would escape, but he did.

10) You will begin the adventure in Unova, but it won't be long before you can go to Medeara by plane. You will have to go back and forth between the two regions in order to proceed in the story.

I think it makes more sense for the bulk of the story to occur in the new region, regardless of where the journey begins.
Going back an forth could be great, but executing the idea well might be asking for too much right now.
Besides, the Player Character will essentially be a new trainer once more; without strong Pokemon all that traveling may not be feasible.

The Unova Gyms will be optional and will basically serve as places to have rematches against the Gym Leaders from whom you already received badges in Black and White. The new bosses will be a variety of Team Plasma soldiers scattered over Medeara and eventually even Unova; Ghetsis is their king, or champion if you will.

In my mind, it makes more sense for Plasma soldiers to be bosses in a post-story plot. That is to say, as their final "hurrah", a group of competent Plasma soldier gain moderate control of Isshu, through some means, and the player has to defeat those gang members to gain access to the Gym Leaders and GL rematch capability.

As for the main story, I think the region should have some sort of Pokemon League that funnels into the Isshu league-their own set of gyms and leaders, but the Isshu E4 and Champion are the same; on that note, the new Leaders won't be battled during the main story; defeating Plasma will be the main priority for the Play Character and most of the Gym Leaders (note "most").

I don't think the new story should revolve around N and what he still needs to learn. Having him gradually become open to working alongside other people, and not just the protagonist, would be the best development for him in this specific regard.

As far as I'm concerned; N has learned his lesson, so his role should be a secondary hero/ support role. He *knows* what he needs to do/in what manner he must behave, now he's practicing that (although a relapse might be plot-worthy).


What is the proposed time-line on these games?
In my mind, they should take place 2+ years after Black and White; which would allow time for the BW PC and friends to have established themselves as great trainers.
It also means that the bonds between the PC and their Pokemon are so strong, stolen pokemon make for true heart break.
{My only concern with the "quest for stolen/lost pokemon" vibe is: it might not be realistic for it to happen a second time.}
Ghetsis has avoided capture not only because he's in power, and moving between regions, but because he's also shifting through dimensions.


The issue of player character- it's easier to have the same PC from BW, (and more proper if this is a direct sequel), but a new character could also be suitable if they are somehow "the same". Same spirit, or the characters Reshiram/Zekrom universe counterpart (of the same gender)...something on that end.
Or a reincarnation of some sort...there are alot of directions in which this matter can go.
EDIT: What if the BW PC isn't the king/chosen one.
...But the B2W2 had a new PC who is the chosen one?

Originally Posted by d.aisuke

I think it makes more sense for the bulk of the story to occur in the new region, regardless of where the journey begins. Going back an forth could be great, but executing the idea well might be asking for too much right now.
Besides, the Player Character will essentially be a new trainer once more; without strong Pokemon all that traveling may not be feasible.

You have a point. However, the Pokémon levels could be synced up between the regions, as you would have to unlock something in one region to proceed in the other one. I feel that it would be better to incorporate both regions simultaneously, as I don't think Unova should receive the Kanto treatment. I also take issue with the story climax not being the last event in the games.

One could argue that there is evidence that Unova will play a role right from the start: The official website's Keldeo page displays Keldeo's Unova Pokédex number (153). Since the page mentions B2W2 more often than it does Black and White, and Keldeo is only supposed to unlock an event in the new games, I find it curious that they used the Unova Pokédex number (the National numbers are usually more appropriate). Granted, most fans don't expect to see a new region (as evidenced by the lack of replies to this entry) and could use this as evidence against the idea, but that would be pushing it. But it has made me consider the idea of simultaneous adventures, with the Unova Pokédex being expanded rather than replaced, as Professor Juniper wouldn't have a counterpart in Medeara.

In my mind, it makes more sense for Plasma soldiers to be bosses in a post-story plot. That is to say, as their final "hurrah", a group of competent Plasma soldier gain moderate control of Isshu, through some means, and the player has to defeat those gang members to gain access to the Gym Leaders and GL rematch capability.

That's a big no-no in my book. Ghetsis leading Team Plasma in another region would already be a resurrection attempt in itself, and as I see it, Ghetsis would indeed return to Unova as his objective is to conquer the region. The soldiers should be challenged during Ghetsis' reign.

As for the main story, I think the region should have some sort of Pokemon League that funnels into the Isshu league-their own set of gyms and leaders, but the Isshu E4 and Champion are the same; on that note, the new Leaders won't be battled during the main story; defeating Plasma will be the main priority for the Play Character and most of the Gym Leaders (note "most").

You seem to be saying that there won't be any true bosses in the main story. I agree that there may be (optional) new Gym Leaders to spice things up, but since we agree that the priority should be the Plasma story, then the bosses should be from Team Plasma.

As far as I'm concerned; N has learned his lesson, so his role should be a secondary hero/ support role. He *knows* what he needs to do/in what manner he must behave, now he's practicing that (although a relapse might be plot-worthy).

Indeed.

What is the proposed time-line on these games?
In my mind, they should take place 2+ years after Black and White; which would allow time for the BW PC and friends to have established themselves as great trainers.

I see the gap being one or two years to reflect the real-life gap. Hilbert/Hilda and their friends (I assume you mean Cheren and Bianca) already changed a great deal in Black and White.

{My only concern with the "quest for stolen/lost pokemon" vibe is: it might not be realistic for it to happen a second time.}

You seem to be referring to something that only you and I would know about. I am actually not worried about that.

Ghetsis has avoided capture not only because he's in power, and moving between regions, but because he's also shifting through dimensions.

The last part seems unnecessary to me. There should only be one person who is capable of moving between the two universes, and even then, it wouldn't be what you would expect. Ghetsis should be one of the many people who simply have two versions of themselves.

The issue of player character- it's easier to have the same PC from BW, (and more proper if this is a direct sequel), but a new character could also be suitable if they are somehow "the same". Same spirit, or the characters Reshiram/Zekrom universe counterpart (of the same gender)...something on that end. Or a reincarnation of some sort...there are alot of directions in which this matter can go.

There wouldn't have to be a new character for that. I will clarify what I mean by that in a second entry.

What if the BW PC isn't the king/chosen one.
...But the B2W2 had a new PC who is the chosen one?

That has been suggested. I just don't see the point of juggling between two protagonists, who in the end, exist to represent us. You also have to ask yourself: What is the significance of Hilbert/Hilda deciphering the Abyssal Ruins? If it really is a prophecy, then Hilbert/Hilda not being the chosen one would be a missed opportunity. The idea of someone reading about their own future is more magical than a general prophecy.