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A Tale of Two Worlds: A Prophecy Fulfilled

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by , 17th March 2012 at 03:50 AM (917 Views)
The following is a description of my main ideas regarding the premise and climax of Black 2 and White 2's story. I'll try to keep this as succinct as possible, because ultimately this is a theory posted at a time when barely any facts are known about these games. But I hold that everything proposed here flows very nicely from the previous story, and that even the bold ideas stem from a reasonable interpretation of things that were stated in Black and White, albeit vaguely. Incidentally, A Tale of Two Worlds is an allusion to Charles Dickens' A Tale of Two Cities.

I don't expect anyone to treat this as anything more than an elaborate theory, but I hope that at least some of you will accept its merits. First, let me summarize the basic assumptions under which this story was envisioned. If you're familiar with my forum posts, then some of the following points are just a helpful reminder, but if you haven't read those posts, then it is a good idea to do so if you'd like to understand the flow of ideas (that is, if you care at all).

Interpreting the Myths

1) The Abyssal Ruins are very important and basically tell a prophecy about a future king who is fated to defeat White/Black Kyurem and be joined by Black/White Kyurem. The prophecy was written by an ancient civilization that lived on the shore of eastern Unova; the same civilization built the Dragonspiral Tower so that the original dragon would be born there, but since they lacked a leader, they chose not to live with the dragon in the land that would become Unova. (For details, see here.)
2) About 500 years later, the twin heroes traveled to the continent of Unova and ended up in the Dragonspiral Tower. The dragon, having yearned for a human partner, saw them as good people that would help it build it the land for other people and Pokémon. This did happen and all was well at first, but when the twin heroes grew apart, the dragon had to choose with whom to side, and its indecisiveness led it to be split into Reshiram and Zekrom. However, one part of the dragon saw neither truth nor ideals as the greatest value to work towards; that part is Kyurem, which represents what remains of the ancient civilization's dream for the original dragon.
3) Kyurem went unnoticed by the twin heroes, who were ready to go to war. When Reshiram and Zekrom purged themselves as well as Unova itself, Kyurem realized that the split was a mistake. At the same time, it also began to notice that there were two sides to reality. Somehow, dual versions of events followed the great war: One in which truth and past shone, and another in which Unova was moving towards ideals and future. Only Kyurem could see that there was more than one version; its body was essentially the boundary of two parallel universes. While Kyurem's actions were a constant, everyone else had two versions with some differences - in some cases trivial and in others profound. (For more details on the split timeline theory, read @The Outrage's description and my comments on it.)
4) Ever since Unova was destroyed, Kyurem has been looking for a person that stood out from the others - someone who could experience more than one universe. Due to its frightening appearance, whenever Kyurem interacted with people it was deemed as a threat, and those people believed that it was there to harm them (more specifically, devour them). More than 2,000 years passed without any person understanding Kyurem's plight, and this frustrated the incomplete dragon. Not only that, but with Reshiram and Zekrom in stone form, there did not seem to be any hope for the original dragon to be restored.

The Premise of the Sequels

5) There will be a new region in these games that will more or less be as prominent as Unova is. This is the faraway region where N has been hiding since the end of Black and White. Due to not featuring new Pokémon, it will be more comparable to the Sevii Islands than to the familiar regions, but that does not mean it won't be central to the story; most of the new features will be found there.
6) Despite its distance, the aforementioned region has a historical link to Unova as the twin heroes hailed from that region. Not only that, but most of the Generation V Pokémon originated from that region and migrated to Unova when the twin heroes established it as a kingdom. For the sake of convenience, I will refer to this region as Medeara; I see it as a region that has not evolved in time nearly as much as Unova has, and where the medieval era is still strongly felt. Presumably, it is loosely based on some part of Britain.
7) Ghetsis has had a strong hold over Medeara for years; Team Plasma's base of operations is actually in that region, and the Shadow Triad are but a few of an army of dedicated soldiers who work for Ghetsis. N was not told about this to feed the delusion that he was meant to be the king of Unova. Ghestsis has wanted to conquer Unova because, much like the twin heroes at their time, he desires a more prestigious land than Medeara, and more specifically he seeks the legends of Unova to enrich his power.
8) After the Shadow Triad freed Ghetsis as he was being led out of N's Castle, Ghetsis escaped to Medeara and N followed him there to see what he was up to. The Shadow Triad also tricked Hilbert/Hilda into accepting a gift from Ghetsis, the orbs associated with the Creation trio, but the true purpose behind this was to plant a tracking device so that the Shadow Triad would ambush Hilbert/Hilda when they didn't suspect them.
9) You will play as Hilbert/Hilda again and your player character will be referenced as the hero who stopped N and Ghetsis in Black and White. However, you will have to start from scratch as your Pokémon and items will have been stolen; one of your goals will be to find your previous Pokémon, but this will only be accomplished when the main story has been completed. (More details are available in these two posts.)
10) You will begin the adventure in Unova, but it won't be long before you can go to Medeara by plane. You will have to go back and forth between the two regions in order to proceed in the story. Medeara and eastern Unova have a large number of Pokémon from previous generations; some of these (at least 50) will be available in the main adventure. The Unova Gyms will be optional and will basically serve as places to have rematches against the Gym Leaders from whom you already received badges in Black and White. The new bosses will be a variety of Team Plasma soldiers scattered over Medeara and eventually even Unova; Ghetsis is their king, or champion if you will.

I think this is enough material for the time being. I will edit this entry with more explicit ideas about the beginning of the new story, and eventually the main theory regarding the culmination of the story, which will explain the title of this blog entry. If time constraints don't allow me to make the updates today, I will probably continue this in a new entry.

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Updated 18th March 2012 at 01:50 AM by Silktree

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  1. Tsutarja's Avatar
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    But if Hilda/Hilbert were already chosen by Zekrom/Reshiram in the respective versions (or the timelines), isn't the person Kyurem is seeking for (the one who could experience more than one universe) supposed to be someone else? A completely different person?
  2. Silktree's Avatar
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    Not necessarily. The fact that Hilbert/Hilda didn't experience both universes in Black and White does not mean that they don't have the potential to do so in the future; I'll explain this eventually. But yes, one of the points in the story is that Kyurem won't see the protagonist as the chosen one.
  3. The Outrage's Avatar
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    Being in a less industrialized and more traditional region would make sense given the dialogue in anville, though given that they were talking about the old train models, perhaps its going to be more steampunk? It would actually be interesting to see how Pokemon is incorporated to their technology. I had always though the Klink line could feed the industrial revolution, so I was pleased when I saw the stuff Mannes used in M14 (on an unrelated note, I sometimes theorize about a Pokemon game in space colonies with artificial gravity maintained by Clefairy)

    I'm not entirely sure on the idea of the BW-PC being the main characters again. I've read your posts regarding this, and it is interesting and would justify having to start from scratch. Honestly, I think my only reason against it is that I didn't like the PC. Though, what do you think of the idea of N being the PC? So far, we have two possible candidates for king, and N would definitely start from scratch. However, rather than releasing his Pokemon, he'll keep them now as he's trying to learn about the bonds between Pokemon and humans. The only problem with that is the lack of gender choice.
  4. Silktree's Avatar
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    Steampunk would be interesting to see, but what I mean is that at least some parts of the region would look medieval so that Team Plasma would feel right at home. Everything about Medeara would look out of date by modern standards, but certainly, there could be nods to different eras and there wouldn't have to be a homogeneous design to the region.

    Why didn't you like the PC? Did you think they had everything handed to them? Even if that were true, it wouldn't have to be the case again. The problem with N isn't just limited to the lack of gender choice, which is a pretty huge hurdle in itself. N is supposed to speak; he will no doubt have things to say that won't necessarily occur to everyone playing the game. Making him the player character might lend him a more heroic aspect, but I question if that is the best kind of role for him.
  5. smalllady's Avatar
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    I really like this theory! I like that the new region would be based off of Britain. I just have a couple questions concerning minor details:

    1) How would N know that Ghetsis escaped being taken into custody and is currently on the run? Ghetsis' escape occurred during N's departure, so I was under the impression that N has no knowledge of this.
    2) If the player character loses all their items in the sequels, then wouldn't that include the three orbs? If the three orbs are meant to function as tracking devices, then this would become a moot point if they player character loses all their items.
  6. Silktree's Avatar
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    1) N left the castle after Ghetsis had been escorted out by Alder and Cheren, and we know that the ambush happened outside. I think N could have easily noticed what was happening, but failing that, he could have found out about Ghestsis' escape from Anthea and Concordia.

    2) I meant that the tracking device will lead to the player character being ambushed by the Shadow Triad, and then their items will be stolen.
  7. El_'s Avatar
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    Pretty interesting theory, I actually hope that they implement something like this. A more older and traditional version of Unova reminds me of how Johto is to Kanto, and since Unova is based off of America then Britain or England would make sense in that regard. Hopefully though, if they do indeed go this route then I hope that the region will be alot more deep and fleshed out than the actual Sevii Islands were, and maybe just a little bit bigger to explore in.

    I was wondering about how the badges would be handled, since this is a sequel and I honestly don't see much time passing between BW & BW2. Having them be secondary or explained as places to train to fight Ghetsis would be a nice way to handle it.
  8. The Outrage's Avatar
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    I don't like the PC for shallow aesthetic reasons :P

    But on top of that, I'd like the PC to not be the chosen one given the role they played in N's development. I honestly want a return to normal protagonists since it shows even normal people can achieve great things rather than "you have to have something special about you". Certainly, it seems more like N picked the protagonist rather than the dragon.
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  9. Silktree's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Outrage
    Certainly, it seems more like N picked the protagonist rather than the dragon.
    Which can be used as a plot point here. Hilbert/Hilda is normal and they only stood out to N for how happy their Pokémon were to be with them. Whether or not they're special has yet to be determined.

    It's not as though there can't be a new protagonist, but then the games will have to juggle between N, the previous protagonist and the new one. That personally does not appeal to me, and there is so much that can be done with the idea of a person who has already proved themselves but has had everything taken away from them.
  10. UnovaCastaway's Avatar
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    But the player character's Pokemon being happy with them is what got N interested and he said that he battled the player to test his beliefs about Pokemon teaming with humans. It was the one individual that started it for him.

    A new player character could help N confirm that Pokemon and humans could be happy together and help him learn about human social lives. A second experiment or formula, if you will.
  11. Silktree's Avatar
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    I don't think the new story should revolve around N and what he still needs to learn. Having him gradually become open to working alongside other people, and not just the protagonist, would be the best development for him in this specific regard.

    I guess that some of you don't like the idea of N meeting Hilbert/Hilda again, as they seemed to part ways in the end of Black and White. Well, they certainly didn't think Ghetsis would escape, but he did.
  12. d.aisuke's Avatar
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    10) You will begin the adventure in Unova, but it won't be long before you can go to Medeara by plane. You will have to go back and forth between the two regions in order to proceed in the story.
    I think it makes more sense for the bulk of the story to occur in the new region, regardless of where the journey begins.
    Going back an forth could be great, but executing the idea well might be asking for too much right now.
    Besides, the Player Character will essentially be a new trainer once more; without strong Pokemon all that traveling may not be feasible.

    The Unova Gyms will be optional and will basically serve as places to have rematches against the Gym Leaders from whom you already received badges in Black and White. The new bosses will be a variety of Team Plasma soldiers scattered over Medeara and eventually even Unova; Ghetsis is their king, or champion if you will.
    In my mind, it makes more sense for Plasma soldiers to be bosses in a post-story plot. That is to say, as their final "hurrah", a group of competent Plasma soldier gain moderate control of Isshu, through some means, and the player has to defeat those gang members to gain access to the Gym Leaders and GL rematch capability.

    As for the main story, I think the region should have some sort of Pokemon League that funnels into the Isshu league-their own set of gyms and leaders, but the Isshu E4 and Champion are the same; on that note, the new Leaders won't be battled during the main story; defeating Plasma will be the main priority for the Play Character and most of the Gym Leaders (note "most").

    I don't think the new story should revolve around N and what he still needs to learn. Having him gradually become open to working alongside other people, and not just the protagonist, would be the best development for him in this specific regard.
    As far as I'm concerned; N has learned his lesson, so his role should be a secondary hero/ support role. He *knows* what he needs to do/in what manner he must behave, now he's practicing that (although a relapse might be plot-worthy).


    What is the proposed time-line on these games?
    In my mind, they should take place 2+ years after Black and White; which would allow time for the BW PC and friends to have established themselves as great trainers.
    It also means that the bonds between the PC and their Pokemon are so strong, stolen pokemon make for true heart break.
    {My only concern with the "quest for stolen/lost pokemon" vibe is: it might not be realistic for it to happen a second time.}
    Ghetsis has avoided capture not only because he's in power, and moving between regions, but because he's also shifting through dimensions.


    The issue of player character- it's easier to have the same PC from BW, (and more proper if this is a direct sequel), but a new character could also be suitable if they are somehow "the same". Same spirit, or the characters Reshiram/Zekrom universe counterpart (of the same gender)...something on that end.
    Or a reincarnation of some sort...there are alot of directions in which this matter can go.
    EDIT: What if the BW PC isn't the king/chosen one.
    ...But the B2W2 had a new PC who is the chosen one?
    Updated 18th March 2012 at 04:26 AM by d.aisuke
  13. Silktree's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by d.aisuke
    I think it makes more sense for the bulk of the story to occur in the new region, regardless of where the journey begins. Going back an forth could be great, but executing the idea well might be asking for too much right now.
    Besides, the Player Character will essentially be a new trainer once more; without strong Pokemon all that traveling may not be feasible.
    You have a point. However, the Pokémon levels could be synced up between the regions, as you would have to unlock something in one region to proceed in the other one. I feel that it would be better to incorporate both regions simultaneously, as I don't think Unova should receive the Kanto treatment. I also take issue with the story climax not being the last event in the games.

    One could argue that there is evidence that Unova will play a role right from the start: The official website's Keldeo page displays Keldeo's Unova Pokédex number (153). Since the page mentions B2W2 more often than it does Black and White, and Keldeo is only supposed to unlock an event in the new games, I find it curious that they used the Unova Pokédex number (the National numbers are usually more appropriate). Granted, most fans don't expect to see a new region (as evidenced by the lack of replies to this entry) and could use this as evidence against the idea, but that would be pushing it. But it has made me consider the idea of simultaneous adventures, with the Unova Pokédex being expanded rather than replaced, as Professor Juniper wouldn't have a counterpart in Medeara.

    In my mind, it makes more sense for Plasma soldiers to be bosses in a post-story plot. That is to say, as their final "hurrah", a group of competent Plasma soldier gain moderate control of Isshu, through some means, and the player has to defeat those gang members to gain access to the Gym Leaders and GL rematch capability.
    That's a big no-no in my book. Ghetsis leading Team Plasma in another region would already be a resurrection attempt in itself, and as I see it, Ghetsis would indeed return to Unova as his objective is to conquer the region. The soldiers should be challenged during Ghetsis' reign.

    As for the main story, I think the region should have some sort of Pokemon League that funnels into the Isshu league-their own set of gyms and leaders, but the Isshu E4 and Champion are the same; on that note, the new Leaders won't be battled during the main story; defeating Plasma will be the main priority for the Play Character and most of the Gym Leaders (note "most").
    You seem to be saying that there won't be any true bosses in the main story. I agree that there may be (optional) new Gym Leaders to spice things up, but since we agree that the priority should be the Plasma story, then the bosses should be from Team Plasma.

    As far as I'm concerned; N has learned his lesson, so his role should be a secondary hero/ support role. He *knows* what he needs to do/in what manner he must behave, now he's practicing that (although a relapse might be plot-worthy).
    Indeed.

    What is the proposed time-line on these games?
    In my mind, they should take place 2+ years after Black and White; which would allow time for the BW PC and friends to have established themselves as great trainers.
    I see the gap being one or two years to reflect the real-life gap. Hilbert/Hilda and their friends (I assume you mean Cheren and Bianca) already changed a great deal in Black and White.

    {My only concern with the "quest for stolen/lost pokemon" vibe is: it might not be realistic for it to happen a second time.}
    You seem to be referring to something that only you and I would know about. I am actually not worried about that.

    Ghetsis has avoided capture not only because he's in power, and moving between regions, but because he's also shifting through dimensions.
    The last part seems unnecessary to me. There should only be one person who is capable of moving between the two universes, and even then, it wouldn't be what you would expect. Ghetsis should be one of the many people who simply have two versions of themselves.

    The issue of player character- it's easier to have the same PC from BW, (and more proper if this is a direct sequel), but a new character could also be suitable if they are somehow "the same". Same spirit, or the characters Reshiram/Zekrom universe counterpart (of the same gender)...something on that end. Or a reincarnation of some sort...there are alot of directions in which this matter can go.
    There wouldn't have to be a new character for that. I will clarify what I mean by that in a second entry.

    What if the BW PC isn't the king/chosen one.
    ...But the B2W2 had a new PC who is the chosen one?
    That has been suggested. I just don't see the point of juggling between two protagonists, who in the end, exist to represent us. You also have to ask yourself: What is the significance of Hilbert/Hilda deciphering the Abyssal Ruins? If it really is a prophecy, then Hilbert/Hilda not being the chosen one would be a missed opportunity. The idea of someone reading about their own future is more magical than a general prophecy.
    Updated 20th March 2012 at 03:27 AM by Silktree

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