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3DS Generation V Sequel: The Alternative to a Third Version

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by , 20th August 2011 at 06:03 AM (2318 Views)
People who are familiar with my posts probably remember my stance on the Mana Ibe debacle. Unlike most fans, I did not see any possible reason why Mana Ibe would have strongly denied the possibility of a third version as opposed to refusing to discuss it. I also noticed that Junichi Masuda merely said that he had never dismissed the idea of a third version, which is not the same thing as refuting Mana Ibe's claim. As I see it even today, Masuda was the one being dodgy, and with good reason seeing as the news about there not being a third version fueled too much speculation that actually negated from Black and White's international release.

But my stance has changed in the last six months, due to the fact that this generation has been slower than I thought it would be. Naively or not, I thought the first main series 3DS games would be the Generation VI titles and that we wouldn't have to wait until 2013 for them. But this generation has been too slow for that to happen, with no event Pokémon having been distributed since Victini, barely any hidden abilities unlocked since the Dream World's debut, and no console game on the horizon (despite Satoru Iwata's mention of a Wii title). Since the 3DS is off to such a slow start, a main series game for it is needed sooner rather than later. In other words, I admit that Generation V needs to be continued on the 3DS.

What I still strongly disagree about is that a standard third version and remakes are the way to go. While those games have been successful compared to the spin-off titles or non-Pokémon games, they reek of repetition that has made them expendable in the eyes of a sizeable sector of people who play the main versions. The remakes, while more successful than the third versions, take a far greater toll on the production; it is evident from interviews that Game Freak worked hard on HGSS, and yet those games ended up being barely more successful than their predecessors (FRLG), which had taken far less time to develop. So why should Game Freak opt for repetition in their first approach to the 3DS when they can do better? They've always done something brand new when starting to work with a new system; just because they chose to release Black and White for the DS doesn't mean they should lower that standard.

I'm not advocating that Game Freak release Generation VI next year, but rather that the next Generation V game should have a new story as opposed to just new graphics. This would explain Mana Ibe's statement, as well as several references in Black and White that can only be properly expanded through a sequel. There is more to be done in Unova, but Team Plasma's story is complete in so far as it does not to be modified; the mystery about N and Ghetsis is their whereabouts after the climax, and even though Kyurem is currently a mystery, the Yin and Yang theme makes perfect sense without Kyurem being retconned into N's story. Unova's plot potential lies in the elements that are rarely discussed, even though they are actually referenced in games (unlike the theory that Kyurem is the original dragon from which Reshiram and Zekrom were born). I'm going to start by listing those references and their possible meaning.

Quote Originally Posted by Professor Juniper
Dragonspiral Tower is...
A towering structure from long, long ago. Before the creation of Unova, even.
Quote Originally Posted by Cedric Juniper
Dragonspiral Tower is said to be the oldest structure in the Unova region.
Most importantly, it's also the place where the legendary Pokémon was born.
Considering that the twin heroes created Unova, I doubt they were the ones who built the Dragonspiral Tower as that would mean that the Dragonspiral Tower is barely older than Unova itself. Another group of people must have built the tower; the twin heroes simply found that dragon years later.

King defeated ③ alone.
④ joined King in a day.
King called ⑤ beings.
King is hope and future.
The great King ⑥.
The last paragraph in the Abyssal Ruins puts into question whether or not Unova's history truly began with the twin heroes. Even though the twin heroes are referred to as a single hero early in the games, by the time the Abyssal Ruins become accessible it is well known that there were two heroes, each associated with a different dragon. Moreover, neither Reshiram nor Zekrom ever defeated the other in the period of the twin heroes, so there is no reason why only one hero would have been considered the king.

Of course, for Reshiram and Zekrom to have existed separately before the twin heroes would contradict the story of the original dragon. So the Abyssal Ruins are best interpreted as telling a prophecy of Black and White's main plot, where Reshiram and Zekrom were already separate and one side did defeat the other. But even if there was no king in ancient times, who built the Abyssal Ruins? What made the ruins sink to the ocean floor?

Quote Originally Posted by Ghetsis
Now, are you familiar with the legend of Unova's formation?
Iris: Yeah, I know that! The one with the black/white dragon Pokémon, right?!
Ghetsis: Correct... How can a world with so many countries arguing be put to order...?
There was a hero who pondered over that idea.
And a black dragon/white Pokémon who turned its fangs on those who defied it...
The hero and the Pokémon used their power to bring order to the hearts of all by creating Unova.
This is Ghetsis' version of the the way the twin heroes created Unova, and there is one notable difference from the way Iris and Drayden tell the story: The twin heroes used violence to exert their rule over others. Even though Ghetsis is not exactly an impartial narrator, this does beg the following question: Why did the twin heroes need the original dragon? They didn't create the land, as evidenced by what we know about the Dragonspiral Tower. Considering the twins eventually had a feud among themselves, it is very likely that Ghetsis is right about how they perceived other people and the lengths to which they were willing to go to put things into their order.

What became of the civilization that lived in Unova before it became a kingdom? The fate of the Abyssal Ruins is telling. Of course, what I'm implying here is that the original dragon betrayed the people who had somehow created it. If those people had a vision of the future, they might have been willing to leave the land. But did they imagine that Reshiram and Zekrom would end up destroying Unova at the hands of the twin heroes' sons? Surely that was not a positive sign that their prophecy was right.

It was long ago, when people and Pokémon lived in their own separate worlds...
Through a war humans started, a forest in which Pokémon lived was engulfed in flames.
The Pokémon could not escape through the fire and smoke...
There then appeared the legendary Cobalion, Terrakion, and Virizion!
Cobalion, Terrakion, and Virizion fought away the warring parties with overwhelming strength.
The parties, frightful of the power the three showed, at last put an end to their war...
This war must have happened after Reshiram and Zekrom had "died", since the outcome of that war was dire for the entirety of Unova as opposed to a single forest. We can infer from this that even though Unova had been rebuilt, the outcome of the twin heroes' feud had not been erased. But who were the parties that led the new, smaller war? It could have been another round of the twin heroes' descendands fighting each other, or more interestingly, this war might have been related to the original conquest of Unova. That is, the descendants of Unova's indigenous population might have have taken issue with the way Unova was being ruled separately from its Pokémon. Even though neither side won (the Pokémon did), it seems that the war did turn things around so that by modern times most people had learned to cooperate with Pokémon.

Eventually, Reshiram and Zekrom were resurrected and the mutual fate of Pokémon and humans was ascertained, as prophecized in the Abyssal Ruins. But as we saw in Black and White, no one knows about the Abyssal Ruins and so no one considers Hilbert/Hilda to be the "king" (much like no one viewed N as the king). If the descendants of the original civilization knew that the prophecy was completed, would they leave it at that? Would they not want to return to Unova and possibly crown Hilbert/Hilda as their king/queen? Would they not try to ensure that Ghetsis could never return to Unova? The problem is that Unova's general popluation might see such primitive-looking people as even more disturbing than Team Plasma. If Terrakion, Virizion and Cobalion did, in fact, view those people as their enemies hundreds of years ago despite their good intentions, they might very well do so again. Appearance can be misleading, and a picture speaks louder than words.

At the same time, if the Abyssal civilization created the original dragon, could they have had something to do with Kyurem's arrival to Unova, as well? What if their real power was the ability to summon Pokémon from another planet? If the original dragon betrayed them, their descendants might have felt that they needed the alliance of another Pokémon, and thus they made Kyurem land in the Giant Chasm. This would further make them be feared by Unova's residents, which is not necessarily their objective, but after thousands of years of aimless wandering they might not hesitate to use Kyurem to gain access to their land and reap the fruits of the prophecy.

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Updated 20th August 2011 at 08:36 AM by Silktree

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  1. RedSapphire's Avatar
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    I always did think that direct sequels would be a better alternative to a third version in the case of Black and White...the only reason why I chose to stop really pushing that idea is only because Game Freak may be able to have it work out with both--a third version to Black and White AND direct sequels afterwards. I completely agree, though, that Unova's mythology is far too expansive to cover in only a third version, and with the Sage's post-game words, direct sequels seem actually highly likely.
  2. ShinyRiolu's Avatar
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    "I'm not advocating that Game Freak release Generation VI next year, but rather that the next Generation V game should have a new story as opposed to just new graphics. This would explain Mana Ibe's statement, as well as several references in Black and White that can only be properly expanded through a sequel. There is more to be done in Unova, but Team Plasma's story is complete in so far as it does not to be modified; the mystery about N and Ghetsis is their whereabouts after the climax, and even though Kyurem is currently a mystery, the Yin and Yang theme makes perfect sense without Kyurem being retconned into N's story. Unova's plot potential lies in the elements that are rarely discussed, even though they are actually referenced in games (unlike the theory that Kyurem is the original dragon from which Reshiram and Zekrom were born).
    Umm, are you a Psychic type? 0.o Cause you hit the nail RIGHT on the head!
    Updated 25th February 2012 at 10:17 PM by ShinyRiolu
  3. El_'s Avatar
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    Impressive. I'm looking at this and saying a job well done on this prediction. The only thing that I'm not sure about is Kyurem being that separate from the other two Dragons, in that he actually came from space. I think that he is just the leftovers of the split, negative energy inbetween, but certainly not the Original Dragon itself.

    I love the idea of an early civilization though that we don't know about, it does seem like the Undella Ruins and Dragon Spiral Tower should both predate the Twin Heroes and their establishment of Unova.
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