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Disappointed with how they are handling Iris in the anime

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I think I am now finally starting to see what Hellion and Shinneth have been ranting about since BW started.

When Iris first debuted, I initially liked her simply on the basis that she wasn't a third female coordinator. As much as I liked the contests, I didn't want to sit through endless female coordinators doing the same thing over and over again. I also liked the BW trio's chemistry much more than the DP trio.

However after that wore off, Iris had to stand on her own as her own character and see what she brought to the table instead of comparing her to others. And I have to say...I'm disappointed. For most of BW1 she felt ignored and was kept to the sidelines, but then when she does do things she's glorified in an almost perfect manner.

Iris is shown to have almost no flaws. There is no real reason for her to be traveling with Ash, (and I thought Dawn's reason to travel with Ash was poor originally, but at least she quickly became a friend so that disappeared), and her character is shown to be way too perfect. The writers never glorified Misty like this, actually allowing her to have real flaws and have her be just an average battle to boot.

Iris is given powerful Pokemon for almost no reason. When May got her Blaziken in AG's finale everyone felt she earned it. When Dawn got Mamoswine it was at least shown to have a number of character growth moments. When Misty got Gyarados it was after she left the show and calmed one down. Giving Iris the most powerful Pokemon anyone on the main group ever had and then using it to tear through a tournament is just wrong.

Its really sad. Iris had the potential to be a really great and unique character but the writers have executed her poorly. With the news that the 6th gen may come in 2013...Iris is also probably going to be the shortest-lived female protagonist on the show. I am not sure if that's the reason they're speeding up her "champion" like God status, but oh well.

Its amazing how the writers can take a character you could have liked but then mishandled them into being something totally different. I am not sure what could redeem Iris between now and BW's end, but I at least hope Drayden and possibly Ash both beat her in a full fledged battle near the end of BW.

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  1. HumanDawn's Avatar
    I find this blog post to be ironic somehow.
  2. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Human
    I find this blog post to be ironic somehow.
    Everything I have ever posted on this forum since 2005 has had some sort of underlying message behind it. It's like what I don't post says more than what I do post on the forums, if that makes any sense.
  3. HumanDawn's Avatar
    Nope. It's just that seeing you talk about stuff like this is funny.
  4. eat's Avatar
    My cat's breath smells like cat food
  5. The Outrage's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Gliscor'd
    It's like what I don't post says more than what I do post on the forums, if that makes any sense.
    Yeah, like how the majority of posts about female characters is negative, but you're never seen posting much about May. It says a lot.
  6. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by The Outrage
    Yeah, like how the majority of posts about female characters is negative, but you're never seen posting much about May. It says a lot.
    Well I was here when AG was originally airing so I already posted about her character as it was happening. There's really not much to say about her at this point since she's probably never going to reappear in the show either.

    DP and BW are more recent on everyone's minds so there is a lot to say about Dawn and Iris. And that other character is just brought up in random threads a lot so whatever.
  7. The Outrage's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Gliscor'd
    Well I was here when AG was originally airing so I already posted about her character as it was happening. There's really not much to say about her at this point since she's probably never going to reappear in the show either.
    Yet you have so much to say about Misty, and is the only user who claims to not be a Misty fan who manages to bring her up in any type of conversation unprovoked.
  8. Mijzelffan's Avatar
    Since when are you supposed to "earn" powerful pokémon? I don't see why it's so neccesary for a trainer to capture a pokémon in the first stage and then make it evolve twice, and how that would somehow be so much better than just catching the fully evolved stage. Just because it's already evolved doesn't mean it can't develop in the same way as unevolved pokémon. Or is the cliché "oh my god I'm not gonna make it oh wait what is that oh he evolved never mind I am gonna make it" super important character development I'm somehow not getting?
  9. HumanDawn's Avatar
    The mention of May made my day XD
  10. Orion's Avatar
    That Harvey Dent quote from The Dark Knight comes to mind when I think of Iris.
  11. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by The Outrage
    Yet you have so much to say about Misty, and is the only user who claims to not be a Misty fan who manages to bring her up in any type of conversation unprovoked.
    There is a thread in the anime section right now titled "Misty making a return" which asks speculation about the character. What do you want me to do? If I have to make comparisons or talk about her than it's what I have to discuss.

    DP just ended, Iris is the current main girl, and Dawn is in the middle of her cameo. Obviously people will be talking about Iris and Dawn mostly for the time being.
  12. CrackFox's Avatar
    I see what you're saying but I think the old way of doing things might have gotten boring. Why shouldn't the writers decide to be more spontaneous and make some different decisions. It makes the show more exciting, because now, I feel like BW could throw anything our way. I do like Iris and always have. Is her development rushed and full of holes? Yes, definitely. It doesn't make me dislike her though, in fact the element of surprise they're giving us with her, only serves to make her seem more interesting and gives the show a much needed energy boost. Everyone's journey follows the same path with the same challenges along the way. Iris might leave the earliest out of all the females (probably will) but at least she'll have had the most unique storylines so far.
  13. Duckgon Z's Avatar
    I think if I was 6 or so, and I saw this character getting all these super strong Pokemon without doing anything or changing, I would love them. I mean just plowing through people with no effort? What kid wouldn't love that?

    But from a writing standpoint, coming off DP...it's terrible. There's being original, and then there's whatever the hell this show is doing now. I've actually caught up with BW...and I just don't GET Iris. Again if I was a kid I'd be all "omg she's super special awesome dragon girl who beats everybody!", but I want to actually SEE training and development, and she just doesn't do it for me.
  14. The Outrage's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Gliscor'd
    There is a thread in the anime section right now titled "Misty making a return" which asks speculation about the character. What do you want me to do? If I have to make comparisons or talk about her than it's what I have to discuss.
    How do you explain every other time it isn't a Misty thread, and Misty hasn't been mentioned yet?
  15. pokemon fan 132's Avatar
    Im torn on Iris tbh.
    As far as character goes i like Iris quite a lot. Im enjoying in her snarky and hyperactive personality being wild and out of place girl, which adds to her uniqueness. However im disappointed with development she received so far, with barely anything being done about her dragon master goal and main mission she was sent out on journey from dragon village(Axew). I expected that we are going to see gradual growth of character bonding with Axew, together becoming stronger with effort and training leading to eventual evolution which was Iris main mission from start. But instead Axew ended up underdeveloped , with writers deciding to build up on her strength directly by giving her fully evolved Dragonite starting to make rapid power up out of nowhere.

    While i can understand how position of her game counterpart(being champion and all)is responsible on good part for this with anime being tool to advertize games, i expected that writers are going to invest more effort in whole thing doing more believable and gradual growth of said character.
    Now there is still time to redeem somewhat Iris development in filler arc with Dragonite capture hopefully playing part in bigger picture which would have Iris go through some significant development, but for now im anything but satisfied.

    Quote Originally Posted by Duckgon Z
    But from a writing standpoint, coming off DP...it's terrible. There's being original, and then there's whatever the hell this show is doing now. I've actually caught up with BW...and I just don't GET Iris. Again if I was a kid I'd be all "omg she's super special awesome dragon girl who beats everybody!", but I want to actually SEE training and development, and she just doesn't do it for me.
    Which is probably main reason why writers can get away with it. They are aware how most small kids which make target audience are going to react same way you described it, being super excited about Iris being powerful and getting all that cool pokemon like Dragonite. But to older viewers with more refined taste, this will be probably underwhelming and disappointing being step down from DP, Ag, even original series in terms female characters are getting developed.

    Why im torn on Iris still liking actual character(cant say same about story), i believe Bw is kinda sign how we have too many female characters already in this show with writers starting to run out of ideas(another one type master?). I know its unpopular opinion around here, but would much rather liked return of one of older girls with writers doing build up of her story(like Misty or May)instead of getting another new girl just to end up disappointed again.
    Updated 23rd July 2012 at 02:39 PM by pokemon fan 132
  16. Hidden Mew's Avatar
    I still remember how I liked Iris at the beginning of the series just because of the potential she had. That, unfortunately, quickly disappeared. She has a rather annoying personality and the writing behind her is so lazy. She really could have been a better character if there was more effort put into her character, but instead of having the journey result in her growth, they just skip all of that and give her power-ups to make it look like she's a strong trainer and that she has come a long way since the start of the series. It's really quite annoying and I don't see any reason to really root for Iris. She'll get accomplishments regardless of whether or not she actually worked for them just because of the writing. At this point, I'm perfectly fine with Iris having the shortest run out of the female characters. I'd much rather see a new female character with a different goal, either Contests returning or, more likely, a new sidequest from the new games, than what else they could do with Iris. Seeing Drayden defeat her would be kind of satisfying to see though.
  17. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by The Outrage
    How do you explain every other time it isn't a Misty thread, and Misty hasn't been mentioned yet?
    Comparing characters or their roles is why she is brought up, same reason you usually see Brock mentioned in Cilan threads.

    Also more posts about her pop up from casual fans who hadn't watched the show in years.
  18. Caseydia's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by The Outrage
    Yeah, like how the majority of posts about female characters is negative, but you're never seen posting much about May. It says a lot.
    Misty barley got negative remarks only by people like myself back in the day. May got the most after Misty left, Dawn's skirt and Piplup was her bash fest and Iris's strange victories are a breeding ground for them. But most remarks are pretty positive. More than Ash's, that's for sure.

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