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by , 19th September 2013 at 09:56 PM (4665 Views)


Satoshi looks cool here. I appreciate that the first two episodes look like they're going to be more eventful than usual, but judging the first two episodes based on the teaser alone is ignorant. My hope for Satoshi is that he's a more mature version of his lovable character in the original series. Takeshi Shudo's Satoshi was the best Satoshi (see: Japanese version of Lord of the Unknown Tower's Entei battle and his dialogue).



Citron sounds like a younger version of Eren Jaeger from Shigeki no Kyojin (a.k.a. strangely translated as Attack on Titan by the creators). That's nice, considering they have the same seiyuu.



Eriika's so cute. But considering they're willing to bring back the reporters from Lord of the Unknown Tower, I'd say Mii would have made a more interesting and preferable child companion. Can't separate an imouto from her onii-chan, though, I suppose. Screw y'all that says she'll be an annoying little kid.



Serena's seems pretty composed, and I love how her seiyuu sounds. She's done mostly background roles in other anime, so this might be her big break.



It's clear she met Satoshi during her childhood. Zettai ano toki no... Yoshi! Kimieta! However, it's too early for me to be pointing fingers and calling her a childhood friend. It's possible that she simply met Satoshi briefly during her childhood, and he did something to inspire her.

I kind of wish that role would have been taken on by an anime version of Blue/Leaf. She's a lot more fitting, considering Satoshi is the anime version of Red. And it's been THREE FRIGGIN' GENERATIONS and they still haven't shown her in anime form. One of the first reasons she makes me weary. I just hope Blue/Leaf, at the very least, appears as a rival for Satoshi one day. It'd be funny if Serena's background ends up exactly the same as how I'm writing Blue/Leaf (Sayako) for my manga project.



The second reason that makes me weary. I hope the childhood encounter with Satoshi is simply admiration and nothing more. I admit it's mostly bias because I'm a big fan of SatoKasu, a.k.a. PokeShipping. I also love its game version, HanadaShipping (Red x Game Kasumi), but I'm more of a supporter of the former. It also saddens me as a Kasumi fan. I feel it disrespects the little existence she has left.

I was almost tearing up when I read Mayumi Iizuka's Twitter, where she was pouring out about the vocal cast change in The Origin special and telling fans not to forget her Kasumi. I remember BMGf used to be a safe haven from all the anti-Kasumi fans back in the day. Now it's the opposite - you can't be a Kasumi fan without being seen as a joke anymore. Kind of makes me sad. It's not cool, guys. It's not cool at all...

Enough of that... The character profile page states that she's a girl from Kalos (duh) that likes fashion and that she's met Satoshi in the past (Once? Or are they really childhood friends (osananajimi)? We'll see). In regards to the fashion, I hope she isn't shoved into a stereotypical girly role. That kind of role has grown tiresome. My favorite counterpart of a Player Character was Sapphire from Pokemon Special because she broke free from being a dress-up doll. But Anime Serena's cute, so I won't most likely won't *hate* her.



The Mega Bashaamo and Mega Gaburias plot? Meh. I would be more interested if it was something that was related to Xerneas or Yveltal. But I appreciate the apparent focus on action - a premiere hasn't looked this eventful since the first episodes of the OS, so that kind of makes me excited to watch.

I'll stick around for twenty or so episodes. If XY impresses me more than disappoints me, I'll stick around until the end. I have better anime to watch, after all.

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Updated 20th September 2013 at 04:40 AM by FANG-TAN

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  1. Yato's Avatar
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    Holy s*** is that really Satoshi?! He looks super cool and mature!! I'm looking forward to this anime!
  2. FANG-TAN's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Kyriaki
    Holy s*** is that really Satoshi?! He looks super cool and mature!! I'm looking forward to this anime!
    Let's try to keep an open mind. I think he looks cool here too, but I'm trying to keep myself from being disappointed. You never know with these people.
  3. Pokémon Master Ash's Avatar
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    Whatever the case, Satoshi/Ash does look like a badass in the first picture. Look at that posture and that pose! I still agree that we shouldn't jump the gun, because you put it best: "you never know with these people."
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  4. FANG-TAN's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by EmotionalTensionPKMN
    Whatever the case, Satoshi/Ash does look like a badass in the first picture. Look at that posture and that pose! I still agree that we shouldn't jump the gun, because you put it best: "you never know with these people."
    Since Satoshi's design is leaning towards FRLG/HGSS Red now, I'm hoping Kasumi will someday appear again with a design leaning towards her HGSS design. And, of course, an appearance from Blue/Leaf (or whatever the anime ends up calling her).
  5. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
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    Wow, did Kasumi's VA just confirm Misty will be in the Origins special? I don't even think that was revealed yet, we certainly saw nothing of Origins Misty in the trailers or adverts.

    Also why does this bother her? I don't see Satoshi's VA complaining about not voicing Red, or Shigeru's VA not complaining about not voicing Green. Its a different continuity/universe, they obviously had to go for a new cast.
  6. FANG-TAN's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty
    Wow, did Kasumi's VA just confirm Misty will be in the Origins special? I don't even think that was revealed yet, we certainly saw nothing of Origins Misty in the trailers or adverts.

    Also why does this bother her? I don't see Satoshi's VA complaining about not voicing Red, or Shigeru's VA not complaining about not voicing Green. Its a different continuity/universe, they obviously had to go for a new cast.
    I don't see why she wouldn't be. The Origin is based on the Red/Green adventure like the original anime. It'd be strange to not at least get a montage of the Gym Leaders.

    And her beloved character being ignored since the beginning of the Battle Frontier, and the only time she's called back is to voice like, one line, is something quite valid to feel sad about.

    And when Kasumi actually makes another appearance, albeit in a different continuity, she doesn't get a chance to voice her. I don't think Rica Matsumoto, Yuuko Kobayashi, or Yuji Ueda have any right to complain. Rica and Ueda especially.
    Updated 19th September 2013 at 10:37 PM by FANG-TAN
  7. Pokémon Master Ash's Avatar
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    [QUOTE=FANG-TAN;bt295470]
    And her beloved character being ignored since the beginning of the Battle Frontier, and the only time she's called back is to voice like, one line, is something quite valid to feel sad about.[/QUOTE]
    I couldn't agree more with you. Anyone, let alone Kasumi's seiyu, would be feel sad about that.
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  8. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by FANG-TAN
    I don't see why she wouldn't be. The Origin is based on the Red/Green adventure like the original anime. It'd be strange to not at least get a montage of the Gym Leaders.
    Considering the special is only 2 hours, I didn't think all 8 Kanto Gym leaders would be featured. I thought the only reason Brock was shown was because he was Red's first Gym battle. I'm not sure how they can fit 8 Gym leaders into this unless they do a quick montage and only show brief snippets of each character.

    Still that surprised me. We haven't seen character art of ANY of the Kanto Gym leaders for the Origins special...only Brock is shown on the official website.

    And her beloved character being ignored since the beginning of the Battle Frontier, and the only time she's called back is to voice like, one line, is something quite valid to feel sad about.
    She did a lot of off-screen stuff though, in 2007 she hosted 10th anniversary trivia segments that aired in Japan. In 2012 she was on the Team Rocket radio show.

    Also I would have thought she would be used to it by now, she obviously knew back in 2002 her role in the show was over. In retrospect the only reason Misty even continued to appear in AG was because it was the first generation to come out after she left. By the time DP started it was 4 years later, hence the writers moving on.

    Also I'm sure the writers/directors of the anime let her know ahead of time that she was going to be phased out from the show. Its not like they keep their voice actors in the dark about the future direction of the series. Just like I'm sure Haruka and Hikari's VA's knew they wouldn't continue pass their generations either.

    Funnily enough Takeshi's VA is back on the main cast in XY, only because he's voicing Wobbufett again. Hard to believe since Brock is obviously not coming back...but they kept him around just to voice a Pokemon.
  9. FANG-TAN's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty
    I'm not sure how they can fit 8 Gym leaders into this unless they do a quick montage and only show brief snippets of each character.
    This is what I'm suggesting. I prefer they focus on Red's battle against the Rockets, the Pokemon Tower arc, and the Mewtwo plot rather than focus on the Gym Quest.


    She did a lot of off-screen stuff though, in 2007 she hosted 10th anniversary trivia segments that aired in Japan. In 2012 she was on the Team Rocket radio show.

    Also I would have thought she would be used to it by now, she obviously knew back in 2002 her role in the show was over. In retrospect the only reason Misty even continued to appear in AG was because it was the first generation to come out after she left. By the time DP started it was 4 years later, hence the writers moving on.

    Also I'm sure the writers/directors of the anime let her know ahead of time that she was going to be phased out from the show. Its not like they keep their voice actors in the dark about the future direction of the series. Just like I'm sure Haruka and Hikari's VA's knew they wouldn't continue pass their generations either.

    {B]Funnily enough Takeshi's VA is back on the main cast in XY, only because he's voicing Wobbufett again. Hard to believe since Brock is obviously not coming back...but they kept him around just to voice a Pokemon.[/B]
    Thing is, Takeshi makes a reappearance, meeting Dent. Kasumi doesn't get any on-screen in-the-flesh reappearances anymore.

    Appearing in the actual show is completely different from hosting trivia segments and appearing on a radio show (though I thought it was sweet that she said she wanted to see Satoshi again).

    It just goes to show that she was very attached to the character that she was bringing to life. That's a great quality in a voice actor.
  10. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by FANG-TAN
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    Thing is, Takeshi makes a reappearance, meeting Dent. Kasumi doesn't get any on-screen in-the-flesh reappearances anymore.
    Brock didn't get to appear over the entire span of Best Wishes. His specials are essentially the "cameos" that the girl characters received. You have to remember that despite Brock being on the show a long time, he didn't receive the same cameo return arcs the female leads did. They could have had Brock come back the same time Dawn did for 9 episodes, but he was ignored. Its also only fitting Brock meets Cilan, every character eventually meets the character who "replaces" them at some point.

    Also as said with Takeshi's VA returning to the show for Wobbufett in XY, it was easy to give him an episode.

    Appearing in the actual show is completely different from hosting trivia segments and appearing on a radio show (though I thought it was sweet that she said she wanted to see Satoshi again).
    Well as for Misty, who knows. It is kinda surprising since they skipped over all possible cameos she could have gotten since her last appearance in AG134:

    - During BF Ash could have visited Cerulean Gym in Kanto just like they visited Pewter Gym in that on episode, instead it doesn't happen.

    - The last episode of Battle Frontier had Ash return to Pallet, and unlike the Hoenn one, this time she wasn't there.

    - During DP, Togekiss could have been an excuse for Misty to somehow return and reunite with her old pokemon, but instead it was given to Dawn.

    - When the Misty lure appeared in early DP back in 2007, I remember people thinking Dawn seeing that was foreshadowing to her appearing. Especially since Dawn seemed curious to who Misty was. In retrospect I'm not sure why they bothered, since Dawn never did meet Misty and at this point obviously never will.

    - HGSS could have given an excuse for Misty to appear but they chose Lyra

    - The Pallet episode at the end of DP and beginning of BW did not feature Misty. Misty was also NOT shown watching Ash's Sinnoh league, unlike the Hoenn one where we saw her watching on TV.

    - BW2 has the World Tournament where you rebattle old Gym leaders like Misty, that was completely ignored in the anime.

    - As we know from next weeks episode, Misty isn't at Pallet Town when Ash returns at the end of Unova.


    Also this is not counting the water-centric plots given to other characters, like Movie 9 (in which the entire movie was about water pokemon with a legendary that was the prince of the sea, the movie felt like a Misty dream movie), or the Wallace Cup which was blatantly water pokemon based.


    And yes, don't ask me why I keep a mental note about all this. Its a habit I've been doing since 2004 ever since Misty's Togetic cameos. God I miss the days of Serebii back then when I spent my entire afternoons debating about this. Good times
  11. FANG-TAN's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty
    Brock didn't get to appear over the entire span of Best Wishes. His specials are essentially the "cameos" that the girl characters received. You have to remember that despite Brock being on the show a long time, he didn't receive the same cameo return arcs the female leads did. They could have had Brock come back the same time Dawn did for 9 episodes, but he was ignored. Its also only fitting Brock meets Cilan, every character eventually meets the character who "replaces" them at some point.

    Also as said with Takeshi's VA returning to the show for Wobbufett in XY, it was easy to give him an episode.
    Takeshi's still a more fortunate case than Kasumi. He stuck around longer and actually appears in-the-flesh in the most recent series. Yuji Ueda has no real reason to be sad that he doesn't get to voice his character, at the very least a different version of him like in The Origin.

    Mayumi Iizuka? Apparently she's called back to do a few sounds for Kasumi, but they don't bother having her actually reappear again. Huh. It's understandable she would feel melancholic about The Origin.

    The fact that older characters appearing has to be a formula is a fatal flaw with the anime. It's rather sad.

    Well as for Misty, who knows. It is kinda surprising since they skipped over all possible cameos she could have gotten since her last appearance in AG134:

    - During BF Ash could have visited Cerulean Gym in Kanto just like they visited Pewter Gym in that on episode, instead it doesn't happen.

    - The last episode of Battle Frontier had Ash return to Pallet, and unlike the Hoenn one, this time she wasn't there.

    - During DP, Togekiss could have been an excuse for Misty to somehow return and reunite with her old pokemon, but instead it was given to Dawn.

    - When the Misty lure appeared in early DP back in 2007, I remember people thinking Dawn seeing that was foreshadowing to her appearing. Especially since Dawn seemed curious to who Misty was. In retrospect I'm not sure why they bothered, since Dawn never did meet Misty and at this point obviously never will.

    - HGSS could have given an excuse for Misty to appear but they chose Lyra

    - The Pallet episode at the end of DP and beginning of BW did not feature Misty. Misty was also NOT shown watching Ash's Sinnoh league, unlike the Hoenn one where we saw her watching on TV.

    - BW2 has the World Tournament where you rebattle old Gym leaders like Misty, that was completely ignored in the anime.

    - As we know from next weeks episode, Misty isn't at Pallet Town when Ash returns at the end of Unova.


    Also this is not counting the water-centric plots given to other characters, like Movie 9 (in which the entire movie was about water pokemon with a legendary that was the prince of the sea, the movie felt like a Misty dream movie), or the Wallace Cup which was blatantly water pokemon based.
    I think it's BS that the writers waste every opportunity to make a brief comeback of an old character. It's not just Kasumi either. Another one of my favorites was treated this way too: Mewtwo, which you already know about. Are they allergic to solid continuity?

    I'd rather see that than Satoshi helping a filler character with a clogged toilet. I think it's BS that not even Kenji seems to be appearing in the upcoming Masara Town episode. I'd be kind of angry if Kasumi was ever made an Elite Four member in any of the upcoming generations, and they still don't find reason to showcase her. :U

    And yes, don't ask me why I keep a mental note about all this. Its a habit I've been doing since 2004 ever since Misty's Togetic cameos. God I miss the days of Serebii back then when I spent my entire afternoons debating about this. Good times
    Same.
    Updated 19th September 2013 at 11:13 PM by FANG-TAN
  12. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
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    I'm surprised they even bothered to have her VA say those two lines in the Charizard flashback episode when they could have easily used soundclips from the original episode.

    To be honest its quite possible Misty would not have been in the Mastermind special either. Wasn't that special a co-production with 4kids back in 2006, before they knew they were losing the dubbing license? That's why it aired in the U.S. before Japan and why the story was shit about virtual reality pokemon and we had Mewtwo and Misty there feeling like it was aimed at 1998 nostalgia or something.

    Also it is really odd AG134 turned out to be her final episode. When you watch it now its just a bonding episode for Misty and Max and about Clefairy. I never expected the final Misty episode of the show to be about her bonding with Max of all characters. Its quite possible that back then the writers didn't even know that would be her final episode, which is why it just felt like an average filler.
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    Citron sounds like a younger version of Eren Jaeger from Shigeki no Kyojin (a.k.a. strangely translated as Attack on Titan by the creators). That's nice, considering they have the same seiyuu.
    Now I'm going to have to watch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty
    To be honest its quite possible Misty would not have been in the Mastermind special either. Wasn't that special a co-production with 4kids back in 2006, before they knew they were losing the dubbing license?
    I have no clue. Information on that is so obscure. It definitely didn't feel like something the Japanese Pokemon company would create, though. Even the Japanese version felt off to me...

    That's why it aired in the U.S. before Japan and why the story was shit about virtual reality pokemon and we had Mewtwo and Misty there feeling like it was aimed at 1998 nostalgia or something.
    They really did a bad job of doing it. I hated that special. Kasumi's appearance was probably the only redeeming quality. And at least the different Mewtwo was actually respecting the original Mewtwo's place in continuity.

    Also it is really odd AG134 turned out to be her final episode. When you watch it now its just a bonding episode for Misty and Max and about Clefairy. I never expected the final Misty episode of the show to be about her bonding with Max of all characters. Its quite possible that back then the writers didn't even know that would be her final episode, which is why it just felt like an average filler.
    It was a lackluster episode for her final appearance. I have no idea what they were thinking.
  15. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by FANG-TAN
    It was a lackluster episode for her final appearance. I have no idea what they were thinking.
    Well my guess was that was not intended to be her final episode. Back in 2005 I don't think the writers knew they wouldn't have her appear again in 7 years.

    Hell back in 2005 did the writers even know they were bringing in Dawn yet? Its quite possible back then the cycle of female travel companions wasn't even thought of yet. Remember back then nobody even knew that May was leaving in just a little over a year, let alone that Misty would stop appearing entirely.

    I remember we didn't even know May was going to leave until literally the tail-end of AG. When they finally revealed Hikari they showed her by herself too without any Ash, making it seem like she was going to have her own show at the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty
    Well my guess was that was not intended to be her final episode. Back in 2005 I don't think the writers knew they wouldn't have her appear again in 7 years.

    Hell back in 2005 did the writers even know they were bringing in Dawn yet? Its quite possible back then the cycle of female travel companions wasn't even thought of yet. Remember back then nobody even knew that May was leaving in just a little over a year, let alone that Misty would stop appearing entirely.

    I remember we didn't even know May was going to leave until literally the tail-end of AG. When they finally revealed Hikari they showed her by herself too without any Ash, making it seem like she was going to have her own show at the time.
    I think by the time they introduced Haruka into the cast, her role was doomed to be replaced from the start. It was the first time another Player Character joined Satoshi's party, a Gen III female at that, and I believe they were doing it to properly represent the generation (the only other time Player Characters appeared besides Satoshi were Kenta and Marina, who had a separate special and never met Satoshi). They were probably planning on doing this formula for the rest of the series tenure at that point, to properly market each generation...

    I remember when Hikari was teased as being the sole main character of DP. That actually put a smile on my face. I was hoping Satoshi's journey would get a conclusion in specials. Like re-entering the Kanto League and becoming its Champion. In retrospect, that would have been more preferable than we we ended up getting.

    The XY teasers still shows bits of promise, but I'm not gonna judge it before it actually premieres. I'm hoping Calem and Anime Leaf/Blue appear as a traveling pair and are rivals to Serena and Satoshi respectfully. The fact that Serena essentially replaces a role Leaf/Blue should be in bothers the hell of my PC OCD.
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    The difference was when AG began the writers kept Brock around, making it seem like they weren't moving on from the older cast. If both Misty and Brock left at the same time at the end of Johto, everyone would have known they were moving on from the start. Brock stayed for no reason as he wasn't really advertising anything, so that made people think Misty's departure wasn't going to be quite permanent. Hell Gary left the show too at the time, something people often forget.

    Also AG had constant references to the original series and the characters showed up in specials all the time. AG wasn't that distinct by itself like separate series like DP onward were. In fact when AG began people refused to call it a, "new series," rather than "Season 6," because at the time it didn't really feel like the show was being changed into something totally different...it still felt a lot like the original series even in terms of tone. A lot of AG episodes have the same level of humor as the Orange and better Johto episodes do.
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    I'd say AG resembled the better episodes of late Jouto. It still feels way different from Kanto and the Orange Islands to me. I appreciated the Housou side-story episodes though. Wished they still did more of them. :/

    I personally felt that Takeshi should have stayed out of AG. His return undermined the conclusion of the original series, and it took away Satoshi's mentor status immediately. What were fans' excuse for wanting to keep him on the show? Satoshi needs a personal chef. What a terrible reason.

    I always figured they were scared of provoking international audiences like when Takeshi left in the Orange Islands. But yeah, the generational female replacing didn't become completely clear until DP rolled around, because AG was the first time they ever did it. And they still somewhat cared about the show's past, aside from their total disregard of everything Kanto in the BF arc.
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    [QUOTE=FANG-TAN;bt295484]I'd say AG resembled the better episodes of late Jouto. It still feels way different from Kanto and the Orange Islands to me. I appreciated the Housou side-story episodes though. Wished they still did more of them. :/

    I personally felt that Takeshi should have stayed out of AG. His return undermined the conclusion of the original series, and it took away Satoshi's mentor status immediately. What were fans' excuse for wanting to keep him on the show? Satoshi needs a personal chef. What a terrible reason.

    I always figured they were scared of provoking international audiences like when Takeshi left in the Orange Islands. But yeah, the generational female replacing didn't become completely clear until DP rolled around, because AG was the first time they ever did it. And they still somewhat cared about the show's past, aside from their total disregard of everything Kanto in the BF arc.[/QUOTE]

    Takeshi was always my favorite character besides Satoshi, but what they did to him in DP: dear god, I couldn't agree more with Scott on that account. That's when I really came to appreciate his AG incarnation: in AG, you still saw Brock catching a fairly decent array of Pokemon like Mudkip, and growing as a trainer in AG, while receiving a decent amount of attention. I mean, he wasn't nearly as funny or as energetic as he was in OS, but he was still likeable. In DP, though...the writers totally botched his character due to shafting and keeping him on the sidelines so much. Kasumi and Masato actually made the pulling the ear gag funny, while Croagunk's Poison Jab got old fast, IMO. :bawl:

    I do agree about AG: it really reminded me more of the late Johto episodes. To me, AG still felt the closest of any of the subsequent series of the Pokemon anime to OS. BW did at first, but it ended up a scattered mess of things. XD.
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    Whereas you're right that Takeshi wasn't as boring as he was in DP, I feel that AG should have been Satoshi coming-of-age series if he wasn't going to win the Jouto League. He sounded like an expert and the wisest group member in the first few episodes of AG. Takeshi returning really soured that.

    (Satoshi should have pulled Takeshi's ear in DP. :P)

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