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  1. Kree's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by SharKing
    Tell that to Metagross, Jirachi, and Bronzong. They got hit HARD by the Steel nerf.
    PRECISELY what I mean. The type matchup system is a very delicate system of checks and balances. If you change one variable, EVERYTHING's sure to come crashing down. Eventually, new Pokemon (i.e Gengar) will find a foothold, which would result in the metagame being skewed in their favor. You aren't really balancing the game, you're just changing the winners!
  2. SharKing's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kree
    Oh no, that's not good. That's not good at all.
    Tell that to Metagross, Jirachi, and Bronzong. They got hit HARD by the Steel nerf.
  3. HumanDawn's Avatar
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    Did anyone forget to mention that Steel lost its resistance to Gho- *shot*
  4. winstein's Avatar
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    What's not good about the loss of resistance?

    Thanks for reading.
  5. Kree's Avatar
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    Oh no, that's not good. That's not good at all.
  6. Kree's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skuntank
    No, it's not a bug; it's the new type chart. Steel no longer resists Ghost and Dark.
    WHAT?
  7. Life's Avatar
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    No, it's not a bug; it's the new type chart. Steel no longer resists Ghost and Dark.
  8. CynthiaLover's Avatar
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    Well, Steel no longer resists Ghost and Dark now, so a Ghost move will do supereffective damage to Aegislash. So it's not a bug.
  9. jda95's Avatar
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    Ghost is Super Effective against Aegislash, that's not a glitch....
  10. Don's Avatar
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    Steel types have lost their resistance to Ghost and Dark types in the 6th generation, so a Steel/Ghost type Pokémon like Aegislash is weak to a Ghost type attacks like Shadow Ball as well as Dark type attacks.
  11. Herbizarre's Avatar
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    Aegislash being weak to Shadow Ball is not a bug (at least in this generation it's not) : the Steel-type no longer have a resistance against both Dark & Ghost-type attacks, so that's why you managed to kill the Aegislash in one hit.
  12. internetro's Avatar
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    Steel no longer resists ghost or dark
  13. zwalk2's Avatar
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    Do you know that the type chart was changed so that Steel isn't resistant to Ghost or Dark anymore?
  14. WindBlast's Avatar
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    Steel no longer resists ghost and dark, so it is not a glitch :)
  15. Winterdaze's Avatar
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    It's not a bug. Steel no longer resists Ghost and Dark.
  16. Bolt the Cat's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kree
    Let's look at how Poison was designed initially. Poison is weak offensively, right? Poison is the deadliest status effect, being more common than Freeze, more reliable than Paralysis, and more damaging than Burn. Poison also resists Fighting and Bug, two common attack types (what with Starmie and Tyranitar running around). Now tell me this isn't deliberate on their part. It lines up too well.
    Poison isn't inherently weak offensively. If you look at the stats and movepools of the actual Pokemon, it's actually sort of a mixed bag, there's plenty of offensive and defensive Poison types. It's only weak offensively because of the way the type chart was designed, it got screwed over because it was only super effective against one type that already has tons of weaknesses.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kree
    Saying that a type is "too niche" defeats the point. Exactly how niche is "too niche"? Is Dark "too niche" because it only counters Psychic and Ghost-types? Every type has its use (except for maybe Psychic in Gen IV), and Poison is not an exception to this rule. Every type was designed with a niche in mind. You'd be hard-pressed to find a defensive Fire-type, for instance, because Fire is primarily an offensive type.
    When a type has inferior type coverage to other types as Poison and Steel did, it does reach a point of being too niche. There's no logical reason to use them over other types in that case. Dark is somewhat in that position now, but not quite as bad as Poison and Steel were.

    Also, I don't think any type should be geared solely towards offense or defense, there should be at least a few options for both.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kree
    As for Steel-type move not being very common, well, someone clearly hasn't played against a Scizor...
    Because one star Pokemon is clearly indicative of the entire type.
  17. Green Zubat's Avatar
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    Poison and Steel, super effective against Fairy? That defeats the point. Poison and Steel are clearly geared towards being defensive types. Poison is a valuable Fighting resistor, and I doubt that Steel's defensive capabilities need to be discussed here in-depth.
    Nope. Heard it before, not buying it. This just glosses over the fact that Poison has a hard time using its STAB (and the same, but less so, for Steel), which is really annoying if you're training those types, and effectively trades utility for ideology. This way, Poison can still be defensive, but it can also be useful offensively--everyone gets what they want.
  18. Kree's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolt the Cat
    Poorly planned type matchups =/= bad type. Fairy has its uses, they just didn't do a perfect job of balancing the type chart. Also,



    No, not at all. Saying that a type shouldn't be improved because they're more offensive or defensive is very limiting, then the type becomes too niche. Poison was glossed over for years because it had no useful type advantages, and I don't think Steel type moves were very common either even if the Pokemon themselves were. That makes Poison and Steel the perfect choices to be SE against Fairy, their moves actually have a use now.
    Let's look at how Poison was designed initially. Poison is weak offensively, right? Poison is the deadliest status effect, being more common than Freeze, more reliable than Paralysis, and more damaging than Burn. Poison also resists Fighting and Bug, two common attack types (what with Starmie and Tyranitar running around). Now tell me this isn't deliberate on their part. It lines up too well.

    Saying that a type is "too niche" defeats the point. Exactly how niche is "too niche"? Is Dark "too niche" because it only counters Psychic and Ghost-types? Every type has its use (except for maybe Psychic in Gen IV), and Poison is not an exception to this rule. Every type was designed with a niche in mind. You'd be hard-pressed to find a defensive Fire-type, for instance, because Fire is primarily an offensive type.

    As for Steel-type move not being very common, well, someone clearly hasn't played against a Scizor...
  19. Bolt the Cat's Avatar
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    Poorly planned type matchups =/= bad type. Fairy has its uses, they just didn't do a perfect job of balancing the type chart. Also,

    Poison and Steel, super effective against Fairy? That defeats the point. Poison and Steel are clearly geared towards being defensive types. Poison is a valuable Fighting resistor, and I doubt that Steel's defensive capabilities need to be discussed here in-depth.
    No, not at all. Saying that a type shouldn't be improved because they're more offensive or defensive is very limiting, then the type becomes too niche. Poison was glossed over for years because it had no useful type advantages, and I don't think Steel type moves were very common either even if the Pokemon themselves were. That makes Poison and Steel the perfect choices to be SE against Fairy, their moves actually have a use now.
  20. Reila's Avatar
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    It isn't.
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