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  1. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
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    Well, good luck then I suppose?
  2. Bluelatios's Avatar
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    Literally not caring would also mean not opposing. No, I defend fans first and the campaign second.

    Frankly, I am well aware of staggering challenges to the movement but I've committed to not let that deter me from my principles.
    Updated 3rd October 2013 at 04:11 AM by Bluelatios
  3. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
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    Its fine to continue SOVA, but I think the only reason why you're seeing opposition is the following:

    a) Most people just don't care anymore. They've either lost interest in the anime in general or watch strictly the Japanese episodes and don't care about the dub.

    b) Most of the old characters are gone now. Only Ash, Jessie and James have prior voices to go back to.

    c) Its been 7 years.


    But its fine if you want to continue hoping, even if it never happens.
  4. Bluelatios's Avatar
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    Gossiping about me eh guys? Well I'm not surprised nor do I blame you, I certainly make myself known and go very much against the grain. Perhaps I do take Pokemon very seriously, but that is my perogative. It does have a great societal influence after all, and has been extremely inspiring to me personally.

    I could say an awful lot about SOVA and how hard it was to commit to getting involved, the millions of things I think about and decisions I have to make. But you know what, I hate long explanations/arguments so let me say this, and I speak for myself and SOVA; I'm afraid you seriously misjudge us if you think we're pretending to be some righteous band of heroes. In fact, quite the opposite; we're just ordinary Pokemon fans who to get something done and communicate with TPCi. We disagree with each other sometimes, we've had a rough time trying to fix our past, and we look absolutely crazy, but in the end we're still Pokemon fans and that's all that needs saying. There is no such thing as failure in that respect. I know perfectly well that I cant convince everyone here and this conversation would drag forever if I tried, but I hope I can at least provide some glimpse into the truth about myself and the people I stand with.

    On a final note let me make it clear that I am deeply committed to thinking things through, being open-minded, maintaining friendliness, and respecting others. I'm sorry if I fail to make that clear in any way.
    Updated 2nd October 2013 at 07:37 AM by Bluelatios
  5. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
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    Losing Pokemon is also when 4kids financial troubles began and what led to their bankruptcy. Had 4kids managed to hold on to Pokemon a little longer I actually wonder if they'd be bankrupt right now.
  6. Pokémon Master Ash's Avatar
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    [QUOTE=The Fighting Misty;bt296582]Originally I think there was something of a 2 year contract that the old voices couldn't do the dub because of however these voice acting contracts work. So by the time Pokemon was in Season 11...theoretically the old voices would have been able to work on the series again.

    But as we see, Season 11 onward stuck with the new cast so they never did go back to it.

    It doesn't really matter as much anymore since all the old characters are gone now other than Ash and TR, and also Maddie passed away so Meowth doesn't even have an old voice to go back to anymore.[/QUOTE]
    What happened is basically that the old cast was replaced without their knowledge with the current actors. Apparently those contracts were in effect for 2 years or so, but TPCi decided to replace the original English actors without asking them if they were willing to break said contracts or not with 4Kids. At least, that's what I understand of the whole situation.

    Also, the old voice actors also wanted the dub to stay with 4Kids because not only themselves, but all of the people that worked on the dub for its first eight years, would lose a lot of their income in the process of being replaced (even if they would still get some from 4Kids at the time). Maddie Blaustein said about 75% of her income from 4Kids came from playing Meowth. Really, I think it would've been better if Al Kahn and Akira Chiba just left the dub as is. As much as 4Kids messed up a few of its dubs, Pokemon was one of their better dubs, and despite the various edits/errors they made, they really seemed to put more effort into the dub than TPCi has overall. That's just how I feel, though.
    Updated 28th September 2013 at 10:17 PM by Pokémon Master Ash
  7. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
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    Originally I think there was something of a 2 year contract that the old voices couldn't do the dub because of however these voice acting contracts work. So by the time Pokemon was in Season 11...theoretically the old voices would have been able to work on the series again.

    But as we see, Season 11 onward stuck with the new cast so they never did go back to it.

    It doesn't really matter as much anymore since all the old characters are gone now other than Ash and TR, and also Maddie passed away so Meowth doesn't even have an old voice to go back to anymore.
  8. MegaCharr's Avatar
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    Hmmmm....
    I have a vage memory about hearing about SOVA but im going to put in my own thoughts from real experience.

    What I really don't understand is TPCi policy for things. Im kind of getting the impression that they just want to keep the orinagial voice actors like is somthing for copyright things.

    I watch a video where the voice actor for Ash in the first few seasons says that she was not able to do a quick impressionation of Ash because she was under a contract where she was not allowed to do anything like that outside the company. That kind of make me like "huh???"because I seen other voice actors from Nintendo do impressionations all the time at conventions like recently I went to a Q&A at sacanime where the voice for mario for over 20 years, Charles Martinet was just doing impressionations all the time and man,its really funny too
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj5w0QnPzGU
    EDIT: (the link stoped working so I went with another vid with the same thing)


    Thats really sad that they hold on to these actors like a chain lease for no reason...If they are not working anymore then their contract should've ended as well.

    Its really sadning you know.

    But anyways,everything pretty messed up....I doubet the people who run Pokemon don't know how to run the company very well because its so huge.
    Updated 30th September 2013 at 06:45 PM by MegaCharr
  9. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
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    Yes, because somehow convincing the Japanese writers to bring back two old characters is even remotely believeable. What a joke.
  10. Misty Calls Masquerain's Avatar
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    Reuniting the original trio is more of an added bonus, their #1 priority is still saving the voice actors (hence the name).
  11. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
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    It says directly on the SOVA pages about reuniting the original trio. So the people in charge of the campaign are about it as well as the Facebook page.
  12. Misty Calls Masquerain's Avatar
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    Misty has nothing to do with this.
  13. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazamatsuri
    i remember that too, as well May, Max and Brock. I believe reason was that you can't get the old (4Kids) VAs back on the show for main characters that are no longer on the show. Don't know if that's still part of their campaign, but I don't care either.
    No it wasn't, its specifically stated on the SOVA sites/forums/blogs/facebook/whatever that their goal was to reunite the original trio, bringing Misty/Brock back into the anime. This wasn't about any other character.

    Also keep in mind SOVA started when Brock was still on the show for another 5 years, so I guess they assumed at the time that after May and Dawn left, they could get Misty back and reunite the original trio.

    Once Best Wishes started and Brock left too, this "goal" looked rather silly because the writers never cared about reuniting the original trio, but I guess simply because Brock stayed for AG and DP, that gave them the illusion that Misty was supposed to return to her, "spot," at some point. Not sure why, even if Brock stayed in the anime to this very day (and thankfully he did not) the writers would just keep bringing in Iris, Serena, etc. into the anime anyway.

    On top of this, notice how when Veronica Taylor was brought up nobody ever brought up her reprising May. Whenever you hear about Veronica Taylor it was only about Ash. Even thought Veronica voiced May for what...around 140 episodes and 3 movies...nobody cared if she came back for May even before we knew she was leaving or Dawn was being introduced. This was only about the original trio or any character from pre-Hoenn. I do my research, I know good and well what motives were going on here.
  14. Pokémon Master Ash's Avatar
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    I'm going to be honest: I don't like what has happened to the Pokemon Anime in general over the last few years, beginning with the DP Series (DP is the series when I seriously considered dropping the anime altogether, but BW rekindled my spirit, and renewed my interest in the series). This goes for a lot of things, though: I feel a lot of the older characters have lost a lot of their key personality traits, been replaced needlessly, and the anime in general has lost a lot of what it once was in terms of how emotional, genuine, and simplistic it used to be. It's no longer really Pokemon to me: it's Pokemon in name only, and nothing more. The anime I have come to know and love has become a shell of its former self in my eyes.

    Probably the most obvious difference to me out of all of these things, though, is how much the English dub has changed since 4Kids lost the rights to dub the anime to TPCi in 2006. I have been severely disappointed and very frustrated with the English dub of Pokemon over the last 7 years. I used to like the English dub when 4Kids dubbed it, because the voice acting, dub's soundtracks and background music, and the script writing/dialogue really stood out to me among the various edits and errors that were made. So much so, that it was fairly easy to ignore those things, because I truly enjoyed what I was watching. The dub actually made me [I]happy[/I] and excited to watch the show before: that's what always mattered to me when it came down to it.

    Sorry to say, the current TPCi dub has really managed to suck the life out of the anime for me, since they took over in [I]Battle Frontier[/I]. A lot of the current voices just don't fit the characters' appearances, or their ages, altogether. Ash is 10, yet right now he sounds like he's a 13 year old girl, while Brock is 15, yet even in the BW flashback episode, he still sounds like he's in his mid-30's at best, and so on. More than that, though, the voice acting itself has become so monotone and bland that I have to pinch myself to stay awake sometimes. It doesn't come off as earnest to me anymore: it comes off as so fake and shallow, that I can't even enjoy myself. I can try to pretend like I do, but I know I really don't. Another problem has been the decline in the script writing/dialogue quality over the years: especially in Ash and Team Rocket's cases. I honestly can't understand what Team Rocket are trying to say at all most of the time: I hate their "Dig it, jack," and "Primo Pokemon" catchphrases, and Ash's "cool speak" like his "o'course," "'kay," and such, really make(s) him sound more dumb than anything else to me. Finally, the dub's soundtrack quality (when they choose to use their own BGM instead of the Original JPN Background Music) has declined in quality in my eyes, as have the intros/endings. Literally every intro/ending has to be about friendship or belonging together, and when we don't have those, we have rapping and such.

    All of those things combined have made the English dub worse for me, and a lot less likeable than it used to be. Combine that with how disappointed I am with how the anime has changed over the years for the worse for me, and naturally it makes for a pretty lousy and painful experience watching the newer seasons of the anime. Regardless, as much as I would [I]love[/I] to see the 4Kids voice actors return in their main roles, I know it's never happening at this point. Do I like it? Not at all: it makes me very sad. Do I think it's right? No: they worked so hard for their 8 year tenure with the dub, only to get replaced. My opinion is that it's just that life is unfair, and not all change is for the better. Regardless, I will admit that the TPCi cast and crew have improved over the years, but their take is just not the way I prefer watching the dub. I'll always prefer the 4Kids dub over the TPCi dub, and treasure the good times I had with it. At this point, that's good enough for me.
    Updated 28th September 2013 at 02:24 AM by Pokémon Master Ash
  15. Misty Calls Masquerain's Avatar
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    Yeah, that's the one.

    It does have its faults, I'll admit.

    Yes, it was created before Season 13, but even the current dub has most of the same problems as before. One only needs to watch Meowth, Colress, and Team Rivalry (which features JCC's Meowth at his worst) and The Fires of a Red Hot Reunion (they didn't even TRY.)

    I don't agree with everything they say, but I do think TPCi's dub is really bad, even if it may not be the ABSOLUTE worst of all time.

    Why wouldn't they agree on their choices? I mean they made the video, knowing what would go on their own list.

    It's just their opinion, and not facts, but I doubt they would have put it even near #1 if the dub was at least good.
    Updated 28th September 2013 at 01:28 AM by Misty Calls Masquerain
  16. Kazamatsuri's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Misty Calls Masquerain
    QUESTION FOR TPCi APOLOGISTS: If TPCi's dub doesn't suck, why was it on the top of A List of The Top 10 Worst Anime Dubs?
    Whether or not their Dub "sucks" is merely subjective and constitute fact at all. I assume the opinion you're relying is the one given by AnimeAmericanPodcast.

    I honestly can't take these guys seriously at all. For one thing, this was created in early 2010, so it doesn't even take into consideration he last dozen episodes of Galactic Battles, Sinnoh League Victors, or any of the Black & White series. They also fail to acknowledge that the Dub was removed from 4Kids in Battle Frontier, and imply that they think it was taken over at the start of the DP saga instead (but that's just me being nitpicky).

    Secondly, their second worst Anime Dub was "Anything done by 4Kids." I'm sorry, but that is not an Anime. That is a whole range of Anime. And that statement seems to imply that these guys think everything 4Kids Dubbed is equally bad. But we already know that not to be the case, as they indicated the 4Kids' Pokemon Dub to be a qualifying exception. But that's not their only exception. They rank One Piece as only the fifth worst Dub of all time, saying that both the 4Kids and Funimation versions are equally bad. Ignoring that latter part for just a moment, what these guys are basically saying by their logic is that One Piece is at worst 4Kids' Second best Dub. I'm sorry, but I buy that at all.

    Finally, there's no dialogue, debate, discussion or back and forth between any of these guys. It just shows snippets of them agreeing on everything point-by-point, and much of the time you can't even understand what some of the are saying. They're all equally sporadic in their opinions.

    So yeah, I wouldn't rely on these guys for facts. If you think TPCI's Pokemon Dub is the 'worst of all time,' then that's your opinion. We're all entitled to our own opinions, but at the end of the day we're not entitled to our own facts.
  17. Misty Calls Masquerain's Avatar
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    QUESTION FOR TPCi APOLOGISTS: If TPCi's dub doesn't suck, why was it on the top of A List of The Top 10 Worst Anime Dubs?

    Edit: My bad, thought this was the person's blog.

    Why can't everyone just get off his back, let him do what he wants, sheesh.
    Updated 28th September 2013 at 12:42 AM by Misty Calls Masquerain
  18. 97SaturnSL1's Avatar
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    As much as i do miss some of the older characters and VAs, ive accepted the fact that they will never likely either come back or do really any acting roles right after they switched. as sad as it was for me way back when, theres nothing i can do that would change it so i would accept it and move on without letting it blind me. there are probily some circumstances that likely led to non having contracts renewed such as disagreements on pay, different offers from different companys with other shows and carreer advancement. i do like to go back and watch some older episodes to help relive the "glory days" but life goes on stuck in drive. on a similar note, When GM quit making my favorite brand of cars (saturns) in 2010, i was more heartbroken then likely all of the other guys combinded with the VA. as much as it upset me, i realized that in life, you will lose things that you love and value. even though i didnt agree that Saturn should have been axed, i didnt go on a campain to try to bring saturn back because i knew the effort would be wasted because the odds were supremely against it due to the brand going downhill since 2002 and that another brand would serve their needs better and in the end brought record income,sales, and profit from China. As much as i strongly disagree with both TPCI and GMs decisions, ive learned to accept that not all change is good but i will say that there are some new VAs in pokemon who have done a pretty good job and GM has continued to make some new cars that id like to eventually purchase one day. hopefully the lesson of "dont keep looking in the rear view mirror when driving" will kick in. it made my life A heck of a lot more pleasent.
  19. Kazamatsuri's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger Jack Walker
    I think the fact that one of their goals is to bring Misty backs reveals all we need to know.
    i remember that too, as well May, Max and Brock. I believe reason was that you can't get the old (4Kids) VAs back on the show for main characters that are no longer on the show. Don't know if that's still part of their campaign, but I don't care either.
  20. Ranger Jack Walker's Avatar
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    I think the fact that one of their goals is to bring Misty backs reveals all we need to know.
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