Oh, so there was an actual study using Pokemon characters? This sounds fascinating, could you send a link to this? I wonder if they examined Brock as well.
No Misty does not need to come back to the show.
I expected Scott to post here. I am disappoint. Whenever either you or Scott posts something about Misty, the other is instantly drawn to it. :P
Ouch, that's really sad. Thanks for the link! Misty is great, and she definitely had given the show some good appeal.
Originally Posted by Garren College students describing a 12-year old girl as "romantic", I guess this pretty much proves what we all realized long ago about Misty fans. That decription from students contains quite alot of truth actually. Misty was definitely romantic talking quite a few times about love. Romance, relationship between boys and girls trying to pair others like Nidoran kids or Jenaro and Ariene from Whirl Islands., Fantasized over being in France and teaching Brock how to approach other girls(i remember one especially memorable moment frpom Johto when Temaku wanted to marry him) being angered by his pasiveness. @HumanDawn: Well according to this novelizations from Takeshi Shudo blogs Misty parents left their kids going who knows where, just like it was situation with Brock parents. New Old School
Granted not everything what mr. Shudo stated there counts as canon(in fact many or most things dont), but in Misty case this remark could very likely hold truth to it. Since whenever she was at Cerulean only Daisy and other two sisters were present with no signs of parents. Whenever there was flashback of her childhood(like getting ruptured dolls and left overs), or when being almost eaten by Gyarados as baby only her older sisters were shown taking care of her. Or better say not taking much care at all with Misty quite a few times through confession to Ash and Brock stating how she lived in their shadow not getting much attention at all telling how they don't know how its like to be youngest among siblings.
Making pretty strong case accompanied with what was showed in novelizations of Misty and her older sisters having to take care of themselves on their own.
Wait, where was it stated that Misty grew up without parents? It's been a long while since I've seen the OS(I've been rewatching some episodes though) and I don't recall such a thing ever being stated. Thanks in advance.
College students describing a 12-year old girl as "romantic", I guess this pretty much proves what we all realized long ago about Misty fans.
Good find! I already knew about the quoted portion, but your insight on this is interesting.
Well, growth and family might be a plausible reason. But we have to keep in mynd that the directors do not take in count the old viewers (even though, the fact that there still are should, i think, ring a bell in them), so they surely don't really care about them watching the anime, since it's well-known that their target audience goes from 7, or 8 years old up to puberty (it used to start at the age of 14, but they have lowered it even more now. 12 i think i'm not sure)
As they are firmly aiming for those kids around that age, the anime is even more "easy" to follow; with deconstructed plot-line and sporadic adventures it shouldn't be hard for young children to follow its "progress" (even if they are fully capable and at some point do want to watch a little more complex anime)
The thing is that a good anime, no matter how "old it gets", as long as its quality or that characteristic that makes people want to watch it, shouldn't have such drastic and long-termed rating drops. I think that what he's trying to show is that all these changes that have been made to the anime in order to middly satisfy little children, ended up erasing some (or most) of Pokemon's most appealing particularities. Is true that things are nost as they used to be, but i assure you that people have not stopped watching tv or decreased on the periodiciy of this act. As a matter of fact, the waste of resources is a common- and dangerous- matter, the rate of people that waste electricity trough electronic devises such as the tv, air conditioner, etc by letting them on when they don't use it is higher. And personally, even though i myself am quiet more busy than i was when i was a kid who loved pokemon, i still watch and look forward to watching things that i like on tv; and lack of consistency in story-line, a shallow scrypt, cero character's developing are not things the things i look for in a tv programme. But belive me, when i find one that does have these characteristics, i gladly arrange my schedule in order to watch at least some of the episodes.
And the worst part is that Pokemon used to be like that.
Maybe the reason why the ratings are declining is that people have jobs and school.
For example, let's say a Japanese citizen was 8 in 1997, when the anime first aired. In 2013, (s)he would be 24, maybe now with a job, and a possible wife/husband, and maybe even a child to take care of.
As for the Japanese kids of today? Well, they've just found other things to do, watch other anime, play more games (Monster Hunter, Dragon Quest - two of the most popular RPG franchises in Japan), and more, including schoolwork.
In other words, maybe the ratings are declining because everyone is more busy nowadays, or they have other things to do, and have more entertaining things to do.
Serena isnt much eyecandy now if only they used her game design...
Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty Just because the writers *can* bring back any old character means little if they don't have an interest in doing so. The show now is so far removed from what it was 16 years old that the writers could simply never have any of Ash's older friends show up again and it really makes no difference anymore. But that's entire point. Even if they didn't had interest in doing so in past doesn't have any bearing on future ad how will things play out. Writers plans and decisions change constantly as they continue to write for series and 90% of return from previous characters, pokemon etc happen spontaneously as they go on with various factors and variables such as anime current popularity, games, current characters for which writers find presence of previous one would be applicable to help move story forward , or increase of interest to do more with older one determining whether someone will be returned or not.
I believe BW2 showed how writers have no qualms in reviving popular previous character and pokemon, regardless of how absent they may have been if they find their presence and formed popularity and iconic status could help increase already staggered ratings, create hype and excitement to lure in more fans toward this show and do more with its story giving to watchers sequel and chance to see those they like in action again.
And as such they could likely decide to use Misty again at some point due to amount of hype, positive reception and popularity her presence could extract.
Yes it may have passed a lot of time and things aren't same anymore, but being old doesn't really prevents writers from making something significant with previous characters becoming vital part of story again.You can always incorporate previous companion in story again playing valuable role, while making sure that his own story/career receives benefit from it as well.
It only depends on having right vision through which character could go forward.
I agree that a character can appear at any time, but that doesn't mean its going to happen.
The DP saga went on for 4 years and 191 episodes. Yet in that entire timeframe the writers decided not to bring Misty back for even a single episode. There were so many DP fillers that could have been cut and turned into a short 4-episode arc for Misty, but it didn't happen.
Now with Best Wishes, the whole "reboot" aspect ignored all old characters till BW2 started. Then of course Dawn appeared because everyone knows the last gen girl will come back for another appearance. But now we're almost at the end of this gen, and even Brock wasn't brought back for a visit.
Just because the writers *can* bring back any old character means little if they don't have an interest in doing so. The show now is so far removed from what it was 16 years old that the writers could simply never have any of Ash's older friends show up again and it really makes no difference anymore.
I didn't ignore it, but i believe this was already covered in previous posts being showed how in comparison to other companions which left cast Misty still got more references and appearances than others rally did. When comparing number of references and throwbacks to Cerulean gym and misty in AG compared to amount of references to May and Max in DP after departure, or Brock and Dawn in BW numbers are more than enough self explanatory.
Regardless like i covered before both in Misty or any other character case as long they are referenced chances for return are up in air.
So you just ignored how I proved to you that every character has been referenced after they left the show? Tracey's appeared in at least one episode every region since Orange. May's been referenced in both DP and BW. Dawn just got the longest cameo return of any past character regardless if it wasn't anything special.
As the show progresses however outside of ending themes like the one we have now there's not much reason to bring this up.
And once again your missing the entire point. Fact that Misty was referenced in each region after her departure serves as proof how its not in interest among writing staff to have viewers forget about one of anime original characters. Those flashbacks, appearances through opening/endings, tokens like lure etc are way to remind audience of her and send message how she hasn't been forgotten.
As long writers keep her alive through references, as long she has fans which care wanting to see her back and as long this anime exist chances for Misty return will always be there which was focal point of blog and reason i created it in first place.
To send message how events which happened in past don't appoint future outcomes and what is going to happen in upcoming generations, with past patterns being constantly break.
Even more so when taken in account flexibility of her story not depending on game assets to comeback, unfinished plots centered around her with writers making things unclear about dreams and in what way things will pan out in future. Which makes it all that easier to get infiltrated within story of new regions.
As far as references go like i said compared to everyone else except Tracey writers still acknowledged more her existence than they did with others who left cast. Which while may not mean anything shows how producers and writers realize she was important character liked by many, not being in their intention to erase her.
So yes there will always exist hope and chance that we see her again, whenever that may be.
Misty hasn't gotten anymore cameos than the rest of the cast in the main series:
- Taken together, Misty only did appear in 4 AG episodes. She was literally only in the last 1 minute of "A Scheme Team" so I just count that with the next episode.
- Misty was in Mastermind, but then again, so was May. Why is it counted as a "special" for Misty but not for May?
- Misty is in the "High Touch" opening, but again, so is May, Max, Gary and Tracey. And May is right in the middle of the opening while Misty is stuck next to her and Gary.
- Misty was in the photo's on Brock's wall in his special, but once again, so were May, Max and Dawn. So why are people not counting those as references to them?
- Misty's in the current ending theme, but again, so is the entire main cast
- Misty was showin in BW's Charizard flashbacks for the same reason she was in Battle Frontier's Charizard flashbacks, she and Brock simply existed in those episodes so they can't show them without showing who was there at the time. So again, you have to count them for references to Brock, Primeape, Squirtle, etc...because they're all in the flashbacks too.
- In terms of hoso specials Misty did get 4 of them, but again I think Tracey's in around 7 of them. They certainly didn't focus on Misty more than anyone else.
- The Misty lure only did appear in that one DP episode, and never again, even when Ash and co went fishing again after that. My guess is it was the writers way of bringing up Misty for the younger audience who just started watching DP, because otherwise Dawn never met Misty so there was no point in referencing her to her.
So overall, all of the times Misty were mentioned, all of Ash's other friends were brought up too, and the few times she did show up she didn't get any special treatment compared to the others.
Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty So what was this blog about again? Oh yeah, Misty. She's basically part of the shows decade old history so she's acknowledged in openings and ending along with the rest of the older cast. I really don't see why you have constant need to underline how long character has been gone, and how old she is? Ash, TR, Brock and various other characters are decade old characters too, but this in no way alleviate their importance, impact they left on anime or popularity.
And same applies to Misty.
The writers don't seem to give Misty any more favoritism in terms of cameos or opening/ending appearances than anyone else, so what difference does it make?
Than you should check out show history because so far out of all replaced characters Misty received more follow up and references than anyone else. Whether its Dawn, May, Brock, Tracey, Gary or Max.
She made two cameo appearances, starred in chronicles, appeared in various openings or endings like Spurt, High Touch, Bw season 2 ending, in queen of hearts along with Dehlia, was showed watching Ash competing in Hoenn league in two episodes, there were constant references to her in AG through handkerchief she gave to Ash, throwback to Cerulean gym when they met trainer which just arrived in Hoenn, through lure she sent through Oak in late BF or DP, along with appearing through speaking flashbacks in BW.
Accompanied with fact how Nintendo and Game Freak is making sure over the years to keep Kanto gym leaders relevant finding ways to introduce them in new games never getting outdated and receiving fresh marketing value to better promote games if situations calls for it.
No matter at what angle you look at it writers are making sure to references toward character to prevent it from ending forgotten showing how they care. We don't know how writers feel currently and if they have any plans for Misty in future. Writers constantly break patterns and change their mind. Few months ago no one thought Dawn would comeback for 8 episodes, receiving so many unexpected surprises with BW 2 and world tournament. 2 years ago no one expected that Brock will ever be replaced again, and yet impossible happened. No one expected to see Charizard rejoining Ash team leaving Charicific valley but it happened. Or Butterfree for who everyone though was dead and bury never to be seen again. Same applies to Clair and various other characters.
Its obvious writers are pandering to older fans toward such unexpected surprises and references to past, so its not reasonable to expect how Misty might come back eventually too with writing staff being aware how she is very popular character still having strong following with may asking for return.
Misty was first and original girl and because of that tiny little fact, she will never be forgotten having chance to comeback. In every known show original characters are always bound to return at some point and receive recognition sooner or later, because they were present when show started setting path for future generations to come making anime popular and recognized worldwide.
I really don't see why out of all previous characters you are always so much negative about Misty, making it seem like your trying to distinguish any speculation about possibility of her return. AS long character is popular ad have fans, as long writers throw references to him making sure to stay remembered and as long anime continues to air Misty will have chance to return just like anyone else.
Its that simple.
So what was this blog about again? Oh yeah, Misty. She's basically part of the shows decade old history so she's acknowledged in openings and ending along with the rest of the older cast.
The writers don't seem to give Misty any more favoritism in terms of cameos or opening/ending appearances than anyone else, so what difference does it make?