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  1. Silktree's Avatar
    A single favorite? It's hard to choose. But if I had to list favorites in terms of appearance alone, they would be Vileplume, Flareon, Mew, Mareep, Espeon and Celebi.
  2. Garren's Avatar
    Like, I don't think I really know what your favorite Pokemon is. I thought Unown, but that seems to be more because you like the lore around them. You never seem to show any "whoa, cool design!" or "gross, this looks like a Digimon!" reactions until this blog, sort of.

    Do you even have a favorite?
  3. Silktree's Avatar
    Also, I think this is the first time I've ever seen you offer a comment on how you view Pokemon aesthetically. You always struck me as putting mechanics and 'lore' first and foremost, gotta say I find you being honest about superficial elements for once to be a breath of fresh air when it comes to my interactions with you.
    I tend to be indifferent to designs, which is to say that I'm rarely impressed or bothered by a new Pokémon. But it happens every now and then.
  4. Garren's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Silktree
    I'm pretty sure that it's not too late to get on board considering that the map, characters and plot are all unfinished. But if you only want to suggest Pokémon designs, you'll probably have to do a lot of convincing at this point.
    Yeah, that would've been the funnest part to do, but it seems they're doing quite well as it is with that part (and I do find them to be quite good designs, although I've never been opposed to the concept of 'Fakemon', nor do I really feel the need to compare and contrast them with how well they stack up with the real-deal, if they're aesthetically pleasing on their own merit, that's good enough for me). It seems like they have everything planned out enough that an outsider coming in at this point would just clash with their vision, though. Plus I don't have the time or dedication to get involved with a project that has lasted for two years, and probably will take at least another year to reach completion (although the jury is still out if that will happen).

    Also, I think this is the first time I've ever seen you offer a comment on how you view Pokemon aesthetically. You always struck me as putting mechanics and 'lore' first and foremost, gotta say I find you being honest about superficial elements for once to be a breath of fresh air when it comes to my interactions with you.
  5. Silktree's Avatar
    I'm pretty sure that it's not too late to get on board considering that the map, characters and plot are all unfinished. But if you only want to suggest Pokémon designs, you'll probably have to do a lot of convincing at this point.
  6. Garren's Avatar
    Surprised this got so far, I remember whenever I saw threads about it on /vp/ it just seemed like a bunch of in-fighting, and everyone else declaring it "toxic" and avoiding it because fan-projects tends to have a bad reputation on there. I honestly thought it would've just fallen off, as Pokemon fan-games tend to do (and fan-games in general bar a few exceptions).

    Not gonna lie, I wish I got on board at some point if I would've known it would gain steam like this.
  7. J Jay's Avatar
    I've been quietly impressed with the development of Sage. I don't contribute, but I do browse their threads quite often.

    As well as the increased difficulty, I like most of the designs. So far Urobos feels more representative of S/CA than either Kalos or Unova for their countries (not being familiar with Japan, I can't speak for Gen I-IV).
  8. Silktree's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Zeb
    And also that dude with the ghost sombrero thing was very tough iirc. Increased difficulty was something I liked about it.
    I had to grind to defeat Ricardo's Somberado. Since I chose Foliat as my starter, I would have had a problem in the Ice gym if I hadn't been lucky enough to have encountered a shiny Pengliff with a Fire-type (or Steel-type) variant of Hidden Power. Judging from the wiki, Pengliff's moveset will be updated in a future version to include Rock Throw; I assume that this is meant as a solution for Foliat users.
    Updated 31st December 2014 at 10:38 AM by Silktree
  9. Zeb's Avatar
    I remember playing it some months ago (might have been ~six) I agree with you that the early areas felt nice and fresh (having a focus on Ice types so early is a good change). The first route is so long and challenging for the start of a game. And also that dude with the ghost sombrero thing was very tough iirc. Increased difficulty was something I liked about it. Also that fire goat starter line is perfect and I wish it was real :(

    But yeah, for something made on 4chan you'd probably write it off but it's actually pretty decent so far.
  10. Silktree's Avatar
    Melee trophy information: "Lugia lives quietly in the deepest ocean trenches for one very good reason: its combined aerial and psychic powers are so strong as to be extremely dangerous."

    The idea is that Lugia's unique powers are unrelated to the sea, which is a hiding place to keep its powers at bay. Can it summon rain? Yes, but that doesn't make it unique. The ability to start storms has to do with its massive wings, and while its psychic powers are still unknown, the potential certainly exists. Again, the ability to calm raging storms is probably one aspect of this.

    Mind you, Dragonite is also a marine Pokémon that saves people from the sea.
  11. Bolt the Cat's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Silktree
    I don't see what that has to do with Water.
    Because storms typically produce rain. Combine that with Lugia's lore regarding the sea and there's enough justification for it to be Water type, and more than they've done to associate Lugia with Psychic.
  12. Silktree's Avatar
    Even so, Lugia is stated to have the power to control storms
    I don't see what that has to do with Water. Flying is the type most closely associated with storms, which are generally disturbances of the atmosphere. We don't know how Lugia is supposed to stop storms rather than start them, but if anything psychic powers should be the key.
  13. Bolt the Cat's Avatar
    The type implies that Lugia isn't actually supposed to live alone under the sea.
    Even so, Lugia is stated to have the power to control storms, so Water makes more sense than Psychic.
  14. Silktree's Avatar
    I'm more inclined to believe the opposing region is the one that houses Cianwood City.
    That's definitely more logical than Kanto. I hope that if we ever get Johto sequels, they will include the entirety of the Shikoku-based island.

    Of course, it is also possible that the other country didn't just become a region of the same nation as Johto after the war, and that it is based on a separate real-life country. But it is hard to imagine why this would be the case.
  15. The Outrage's Avatar
    I'm wondering what the two warring countries are. The immediate choice would be Johto vs Kanto, but it doesn't make sense that Kanto would be fighting over the Whirl Island considering it is so far from its borders.

    I'm more inclined to believe the opposing region is the one that houses Cianwood City. Lugia may have tried to stop the fighting over the islands, but there is nothing to say that the Johto people didn't succeed in occupying the area around Cianwood.
  16. Silktree's Avatar
    For one, Lugia is usually hinted at being the trio master to the Kanto birds, but they never really delve into this.
    The Sea Spirit's Den finally implied a connection beyond Movie 2 and Mystery Dungeon, but there is no telling what that connection is. The den is thought to have been created from an ancient outpouring of energy, which suggests that Lugia (and the trio?) also had a role in Kalos' past. I wonder if it was involved in AZ's war, and likewise in other wars all over the world.

    The bird trio constantly migrate. The Pokédex entries explain this for Articuno and Moltres: They herald the coming of winter and spring, respectively, and they also rescue people who get lost in the mountains (icy mountains and volcanoes). Zapdos appears to be the exception in that it causes savage thunderstorms. Does it seek to punish people rather than help them? Does it represent Lugia's volatile side?

    There's nothing in its lore that suggests that it has psychic abilities, only that it can control storms and is the guardian the sea. Shouldn't it be Water/Flying then?
    I assume that Lugia's Psychic type exists as a remnant of its true self as a Pokémon of the soul, which was presumably its role in Ecruteak. The type implies that Lugia isn't actually supposed to live alone under the sea.
  17. Bolt the Cat's Avatar
    Interesting theory. I think Lugia could use quite a bit more lore because there's several things about it that aren't explained. For one, Lugia is usually hinted at being the trio master to the Kanto birds, but they never really delve into this. Also, I'm glad you brought up typing because that's another thing that they never really explained well. Lugia's lore connects it to wind which justifies its Flying type, but what about Psychic? There's nothing in its lore that suggests that it has psychic abilities, only that it can control storms and is the guardian the sea. Shouldn't it be Water/Flying then? Hopefully at some point they'll explain all of this better. I would definitely like to see a Johto sequel at some point though, and not just because of the lore but because Johto as a whole is basically Kanto's conjoined twin and needs more of an identity in other areas.
  18. Champion Red's Avatar
    This is a really cool idea! I'd love to see stuff like this happen
  19. Silktree's Avatar
    Game Freak doesn't like to use patches for anything but glitch fixes.
    Newsflash: They're going to release a patch to allow compatiblity with ORAS. They could have pre-programmed the new Mega Evolutions, but they didn't.

    As a spinoff? No, Zygarde is too significant to the series to have his new forms introduced in such a way.
    Zygarde is too important? I think you'll find that most people don't consider it to be anything special, especially as its concept is fairly similar to Rayquaza's. Its forms or (more likely) Mega Evolutions aren't going to make it look better than the Mega Mewtwo variations (which aren't mascots) or the Primal Weather trio (Primal Rayquaza isn't going to be a mascot even if it exists), either. You're going out of your way to say that a single Pokémon should affect Game Freak's schedule. And how about not judging a game before it exists? The idea is a game revolving around Kalos' lore - how would that not be significant enough for Zygarde? Does every game have to be about a badge quest? Whatever happened to appreciating innovation?

    Well I don't think he'd pressure them so much so that they would be forced to skip a game
    Or he gave them a choice between remakes and sequels and they chose the former due to fan demand. There is no skipping here to anyone who knows better than to expect so many consecutive releases.

    Here's an interesting idea, what if we skipped 7th gen's sequel instead of Kalos, and replaced the 7th gen sequel with XY2? It would be much better if they skipped a second game for 7th gen, where they could simply design it from scratch so there is no third mascot and no need for a sequel, and then they have the time they need to improve on Kalos.
    They could do that, but I'd wager that few people will care about Zygarde after this generation. Most people only speculate about it due to patterns rather than a genuine interest in it. Even a return to Unova featuring the Original Dragon might be a more appealing idea to most people, but it still isn't something that is actually being discussed.

    The decision of which region to revisit has little to do with any particular Pokémon. I hope that the Generation VII entries feel complete enough so that no further improvement is deemed necessary. But even if that were to happen, Kalos is hardly the only region that could benefit from a sequel.
    Updated 31st August 2014 at 12:34 PM by Silktree
  20. Bolt the Cat's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Silktree
    1. Add an event to XY via a patch (possibly as part of the upcoming one for ORAS). Said event would explain Zygarde's lore and make its new boosts available.
    Game Freak doesn't like to use patches for anything but glitch fixes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Silktree
    2. Let another developer revisit Kalos in 2015 via a special game, possibly set in the period of AZ's war. Said game would unlock Zygarde's boosts in the Generation VI games.
    Having another development studio work on the main games is a good long terms solution, but I can't see them doing that yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Silktree
    I am in favor of the second option, but they aren't even mutually exclusive. I think that Chunsoft would be wise to move from Mystery Dungeon onto another Pokémon project, which could be more successful than the Mystery Dungeon series in its prime (back in 2007). All Game Freak would have to do is help with the character design (Sugimori does this for the anime movies) and scenario writing (as Toshinobu Matsumiya did for the first Ranger game). Would anyone seriously complain if we got to revisit Kalos in a much different way than before? There will be plenty of main series games later.
    As a spinoff? No, Zygarde is too significant to the series to have his new forms introduced in such a way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Silktree
    A third version would be a very lazy effort, especially when sandwiched between ORAS and a new generation. Are Game Freak that greedy?
    ORAS says yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Silktree
    Even if they are, we've already seen that Iwata can keep them in check. He would be wise to tell them to focus on pushing the New 3DS via a new generation. Why bother with a third version that wouldn't utilize the newest system available?
    Quite the dilemma, isn't it? Well I don't think he'd pressure them so much so that they would be forced to skip a game

    Here's an interesting idea, what if we skipped 7th gen's sequel instead of Kalos, and replaced the 7th gen sequel with XY2? It would be much better if they skipped a second game for 7th gen, where they could simply design it from scratch so there is no third mascot and no need for a sequel, and then they have the time they need to improve on Kalos.

    Quote Originally Posted by Silktree
    This is hardly an either-or situation once you forego the third version assumption.
    That's because it's one we can't forego, Zygarde has to have a game to itself.
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