I believe she means the actors, not the company itself. So far, most of them are still involved with acting or at least show continued interest in it (like Eric who attends cons and does an occasional gig). I still feel bad for the company though, I mean some people hate em' for nitpicky and stupid edits but regardless, they still brought us good shows that we wouldn't have in America otherwise. I'm sure they were all proud to have had the honor of doing Pokemon. It would be very interesting if some of the major 4kids actors were given a few new roles too since they all have over a decade of experience in their industry.
Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty 4kids itself went bankrupt back in 2012. Not entirely accurate, as they are no longer bankrupt, though are no longer 4kids, but 4Licensing.
Originally Posted by Misty Calls Masquerain No one else thought FG/Futurama could be brought back. The Misty thing may not happen (at least because of petitions), but 4kids coming back has a better chance. 4kids itself went bankrupt back in 2012. Veronica Taylor coming back for Ash seems unlikely after 7 years, but whatever. He's the only real older character still left on the show.
I think the most important part that comes from all this is that fans are trying to reach out and connect with the people in the business who are either providing the product, or helping to. Putting aside the subjective reasonability of each persons expectations, I believe that every fan is justified in holding some kind of standard for what they want from Pokemon because that itself helps them understand who we really are and how best to continue driving the franchise we all know and love. Whatever the outcome of these campaigns for stuff like VA's, and Misty, and even those clamoring for or against keeping Ash around, the bottom line is that better communication = better Pokemon. At least, that's what many fans hope for and why its good to even have hope that something positive will come in the end.
No one else thought FG/Futurama could be brought back. The Misty thing may not happen (at least because of petitions), but 4kids coming back has a better chance.
You guys are free to do whatever you want, but don't be surprised if what you want never happens.
Originally Posted by Bluelatios You are? You just got here :P. Anyways, I think its clear we're not on the subject of redubbing. Thing is, it doesn't really matter who gets dropped, SOVA will continue as long as at least one role is still ongoing for one of the three main actors to take. If both TR and Ash were to leave, we'd likely go on hiatus and we could go support whatever save Ash/TR group inevitably begins somewhere. Then if any characters get cameos or returns, we'd go back to supporting their respective actor. The philosophy is, as grim as things might get there's no such thing as permanent failure. People ought to not worry about what ifs and simply do what they can, when they can. Its as simple as that. Whoops, wrong thread/blog, I actually brought up working petitions on another thread/blog, and replied to the incorrect one, the point still remains, though. Also, Family Guy got canceled 2 times, and was only brought back because of a petition each time. Yes, its popular, but back then, it wasn't nearly as popular as it was now, it was overshadowed by other shows on the network. I'm pretty sure Futurama was also brought back from cancellation because of a petition.
Originally Posted by Misty Calls Masquerain I'm talking about getting them back for FUTURE episodes, not redubbing. You are? You just got here :P. Anyways, I think its clear we're not on the subject of redubbing. Thing is, it doesn't really matter who gets dropped, SOVA will continue as long as at least one role is still ongoing for one of the three main actors to take. If both TR and Ash were to leave, we'd likely go on hiatus and we could go support whatever save Ash/TR group inevitably begins somewhere. Then if any characters get cameos or returns, we'd go back to supporting their respective actor. The philosophy is, as grim as things might get there's no such thing as permanent failure. People ought to not worry about what ifs and simply do what they can, when they can. Its as simple as that.
Originally Posted by Misty Calls Masquerain I'm talking about getting them back for FUTURE episodes, not redubbing. Uh no, most of the old main cast is gone now and if Team Rocket leaves at the end of BW, then Ash is the only character left with a prior voice. Redubbing the episodes when most of the older cast was still around made more sense. The DP and BW characters never had any 4kids voices, so there's nothing to even redub there.
I'm talking about getting them back for FUTURE episodes, not redubbing.
Actually, I would look more to Operation Rainfall and their progress with getting some games dubbed than getting Earthbound on VC. Redubbing past episodes, as cool as it would be, would be an insufficient means to reconcile with the fandom. Rehiring for the current production should come first.
Putting a game on a VC is a lot easier than redubbing like 400 episodes. Do you realize how many episodes Battle Frontier, DP and BW is combined?
A friend recently told me this: Reggie FINALLY decided to put Earthbound on the Wii U's virtual console after a lot of demanding from Earthbound fans on Miiverse (people had been begging for Earthbound on VC since the Wii first came out). What does this have to do with SOVA? It shows that all hope is not lost. In the case of SOVA, there's no language barrier, unlike with the Brock/Misty petitions.
Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty The writing during Johto's middle filler episodes was just as bad. And the characterisation of the main cast isn't any worse now than it was back then. Considering that Ash was actually showing decent progress with most of his Gym battles and didn't make some of the mistakes he made in Unova, I'll respectfully disagree that the characterization isn't any worse now as it was back then. I don't think that the writing for the middle filler episodes were that bad. Some of them were boring and there were plenty of bad ones, but the writing in BW is definitely worse for me. Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty And Ash's Johto team, despite only having 6 captures, was handled just as badly as his BW team. Heracross was Oak'd way too early, Cyndaquil/Totodile never reached their full potential and Phanpy came too late. Bayleef was the only decently handled one. I thought that Cyndaquil was handled pretty decently. It should have evolved into a Quilava back then and it wasn't a huge powerhouse, but it was handled pretty decently along with Bayleef. Ash's Johto team was handled pretty poorly, although I think I'd give it an edge over his BW due to the Pokemon having more personality and most of them could do well in a Gym battle without a last minute forced evolution to give Ash a cheap win. Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty Most of Johto's battles were barely above Kanto in terms of one-shit KO's. The Ash Vs. Gary match in the league was almost all one-hit KO's until Charizard Vs. Blastoise. The Johto Gym battles were way better than the majority of the Kanto Gym battles since Ash actually earned his badges, aside from the one he got from Pryce. There were some one hit KOs in Ash vs. Gary, but not all of them and the Johto League was much better than the Kanto League also because we actually saw decent battles. Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty I guess mainly because Ash's Johto Pokemon didn't have as good battles as his Kanto pokemon. None of Bayleef's battles were as good as Bulbasaurs, Totodile of course had almost nothing compared to Squirtle, and Noctowl only had 1 Gym. Cyndaquil did a lot, but when you're comparing it to Charizard you can see the difference. I've watched over the Kanto season through my DVD box sets multiple times and honestly, Bulbasaur and Squirtle weren't really that impressive. I don't even remember Squirtle being used that often and I don't think it got an on-screen victory until the Indigo League. Bulbasuar battled more often, but it wasn't really that impressive. In fact, they didn't seem that strong to me until they came back in the Johto League and even now, I find them, along with the first season in general, really overrated. Bayleef actually had decent battles and while Totodile definitely could have used more battles, it actually had some presence, which is more than I can say for Squirtle. Noctowl only had one Gym battle, but that's way better than what Pidgeotto got. Noctowl actually got a decent believable Gym victory under its belt and Pidgeotto was primarily used for searches and destroying Team Rocket's balloon after Ash got the Kanto starters. Charizard didn't really do much in Kanto and it got a lot of battles in Johto. Aside from not making it evolve, I thought that Cyndaquil was handled fine and while it wasn't a huge powerhouse like Charizard, that wasn't a problem to me. It was still a strong Pokemon and one of his better handled Johto Pokemon.
Originally Posted by Bluelatios I think so too. I don't pay too much attention but aside from obvious fighting Pokemon and a few of Pikachu's iron tail tricks, battles generally do seem designed to look good (contests aside) more than look well played nowadays. And I'm not saying battles were ever that amazing (though plenty were enjoyable enough), its just a valid observation nonetheless. And story arcs? Pokemon was never really made to have its high points found in its arcs. Sure they're nice to have sometimes if they aren't sloppy (some recent, ahem, tournaments come to mind), but the bulk of Pokemon episodes are just there to make me smile, laugh, cry (man tears mind you), and want to go adventuring with friends. Basically, at its heart its a feel-good show more than anything else, in my opinion. In the words of many I know; "Screw the plot, Pokemon is awesome." XD Totally man. That's how I feel as well. :)
After reading what all of you have to say on the Johto days/seasons, here's what I personally feel about them: I really actually love the Johto seasons for some reason. I personally feel Kanto and OI were better just because there was a bit more slapstick there and really powerful emotional moments (in addition to less filler), but I felt Johto was pretty great in my book as well. However, at the same time, I think what "The Fighting Misty" has to say is very valid, and I get where he's coming from. We have all had those arcs or eps where we've been disappointed by what we seen, and the first real loss our anime fanbase suffered was in the Johto saga. A lot of people dropped out around 2001 because they were tired not only of the fillers (personally, I like many of them) but that they saw nothing really changing/were getting bored of the repetitive nature of the series. The ratings for each consecutive saga of the series are actually lower and lower, though. The next real loss after this one to create another division in the fandom was when Misty was dropped after Johto, the next when the original dubbed VAs were replaced in the Battle Frontier, the following division after that occurred when May/Max left, the next when Dawn left, and the final one so far with the disappointment (and for other fans, revival) fans have felt BW has brought them. Personally, I find the whole series/plot/maturity/immaturity/voices/music etc. issue is just a matter of opinion and preference. Nobody here (including myself) is right or wrong about this or any of the sagas in general. Objectively speaking, everything about a show is on an even playing field/equal. From there, it's really up to the viewer to decide what they like most and what meshes best with their own preferences. I myself am one of the biggest fans of the older series. My favorite saga is the Original Series in general. I find it pretty endearing and it has a charm that really sells it to me. I loved Advanced Generation, but it wasn't the same for me at the same time (much as I still liked May/Max, Misty was my favorite female companion, so I was saddened she wasn't around at the same time). Diamond and Pearl was a huge disappointment for me, but it was an excellent saga to most fans. I still like it, but it's my least favorite saga thus far. Black and White has been more or less a revival for me, but to many others it's their worst saga so far. I can understand some of the perfectly valid issues with it, but for me it's not so bad.
I think so too. I don't pay too much attention but aside from obvious fighting Pokemon and a few of Pikachu's iron tail tricks, battles generally do seem designed to look good (contests aside) more than look well played nowadays. And I'm not saying battles were ever that amazing (though plenty were enjoyable enough), its just a valid observation nonetheless. And story arcs? Pokemon was never really made to have its high points found in its arcs. Sure they're nice to have sometimes if they aren't sloppy (some recent, ahem, tournaments come to mind), but the bulk of Pokemon episodes are just there to make me smile, laugh, cry (man tears mind you), and want to go adventuring with friends. Basically, at its heart its a feel-good show more than anything else, in my opinion. In the words of many I know; "Screw the plot, Pokemon is awesome." XD
Originally Posted by pokemon fan 132 I have to admit your first person i met who is complaining about match between Ash and Gary. There are others, you just have to look harder (oddly enough) But I do agree with you, Johto definitely had better battles. Although I didn't find Indigo battles that bad.. Definitely agreed on Pokemon bodies, they barely use Pokemon's bodies to their advantage anymore.
Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty That was barely an arc. The first two eps were just generic fillers about Sunkern and Swinub with Todd thrown in. The whole thing wasn't a real storyline. If recurring character like Todd was in them they can't be considered fillers, can they? Also episode about Sunkern foreshadowed meet with Articuno with Todd perceiving it as well throwing back reference to big catching contest with Ash sun stone being used he previously won. Same applies to Swinub episode building up toward Articuno full appearance, Whole arc involving Todd return with Ash, Misty and Brock searching for legendary ice bird was indeed mini story. Whether you liked it or not is different pair of sleeves. I guess mainly because Ash's Johto Pokemon didn't have as good battles as his Kanto pokemon. None of Bayleef's battles were as good as Bulbasaurs, Totodile of course had almost nothing compared to Squirtle, and Noctowl only had 1 Gym. Cyndaquil did a lot, but when you're comparing it to Charizard you can see the difference. That's ridiculous. Are you seriously going to argue how two seconds Bulbasaur battle against Erika Tangella, Squirtle one sec battle against Blaine Ninetakes or against Richie Butterfree or Charmander vs KOga Golbat was better written battle than let say: Totodile vs KIngdra in Whirl Cup or against Macy in league. NOctowl battle against MOrty GHost pokemon, Bayleef against Chuck Machoke, Cyndaquil vs Steelix etc?= Also Ash Charizard had better battles in Johto compared to Kanto. See match against Clair, Falkner pIdgeot or Gary. I don't even need to mention Misty battles which were incomparably better compared to Kanto as well. The vast majority of them were decided in one-two hit defeats. They basically rushed through their pokemon just to get to Charizard Vs. Blastoise. Only battle which can even remotely be called one hit fest was against Gary Golem and Ash Heracross due to sheer power of dragon rafge and hydropump as attacks possess. Whole battle contained lot of strategy and thinking how to putplay opponent. Whetther we are talking about Bayleef against Blastoise with Ash trying to use his rotation against himself through Bayleef weight constantly recalling pokemon trying to find effective strategy to counter him. Muk body being used as way to absorb physical attacks from Blasstoise and Scizor, Gary using Nidoquenn tail in smart way to dodge Snorlax attacks etc. I have to admit your first person i met who is complaining about match between Ash and Gary.
Originally Posted by pokemon fan 132 It had. Remember for example Articuno three part involving photographer Todd from Kanto? And im not sure how can anyone find Kanto battles better compared to Johto? That was barely an arc. The first two eps were just generic fillers about Sunkern and Swinub with Todd thrown in. The whole thing wasn't a real storyline. Most of them lasted for few seconds finishing other side in one blow. I guess they were more comedic but when it comes to complexity and enjoyment clash between two pokemon brings going at each other at full force Johto was written in that aspect superior. I guess mainly because Ash's Johto Pokemon didn't have as good battles as his Kanto pokemon. None of Bayleef's battles were as good as Bulbasaurs, Totodile of course had almost nothing compared to Squirtle, and Noctowl only had 1 Gym. Cyndaquil did a lot, but when you're comparing it to Charizard you can see the difference. How on earth most was one hit KO? Battle between Tauros and Nidoqueen, Magmar and Heracross, Blastoise and Muk/Meganium, Snorlax and Arcanine or Scizor and Snorlax was anything but KO fest The vast majority of them were decided in one-two hit defeats. They basically rushed through their pokemon just to get to Charizard Vs. Blastoise.
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