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  1. winstein's Avatar
    That's an interesting proposal you have there. I like how you look at the type balance as more of a cycle rather than a just everything related to the centre. I am glad to see that you are proposing something that does not reduce the effectiveness of Grass-types.

    The immunity would have certain Grass-type Pokemon who would normally be weak to Fairy, meaning some like Shiftry and Breloom wouldn't mind this. We do not know what the new moves are yet to make an accurate judgement, though, but still a good idea I think. I do wonder if there are Fairy moves that will be powder-based, like a Fairy variation of Sleep Powder or something that saps HP without giving a non-volatile status (similar to Curse but doesn't drain as much). I guess in that case, Grass would be immune to certain things.

    It's a real pity that Ice-types got it hard, considering how they didn't even receive additional resistances (Water would be nice!). There are several factors that are against them, including how most Water-types learn the quintessential Ice coverage (and they get nothing in return). I do hope that if Frost Breath and Icicle Crash is of any indication, Ice-types will finally get moves for Ice-types only. Would be funny if there is an Ice-type move that freezes, but it will guarantee a freeze on Water-types (that are not part-Ice).

    With Fairy, though, now they may not be as essential, since they are now only important to deal with those double-weak to Ice, including Dragonite and Garchomp. Still, it's hard to determine if Fairy will be a significant threat if we don't know how much power each attack has. For all we know, it could very well have a max power of 80 on the Physical front and 90 on the Special front.

    I often thought that one way to make Grass-type better is to remove the Ice weakness, but to make up for it, Ice can hit Steel-types neutrally. It would create a conflict on part your concept's balance though, since the purpose of yours would be to promote Grass to (partly) promote Ice.

    Thanks for reading.
  2. Infinity Mk-II's Avatar
    @Bolt the Cat;
    Yeah, this is quite a long stretch. (Honestly? Personally I'd preffer a Grass SE on Fairy, rather than an immunity) But the idea is that Fairies are inherently dependant on nature, hence Grass would have some kind of dominance over them.
    For an immunity, this would mean that Fairies aren't just dependant on but even their existence is directly based on nature (which isn't unheard of, some works have it that way), so they'd be literally incapable of harming it.

    The idea that this helps Ice isn't so much that Ice is SE on Grass, as it is simply placing a hard stop on Fairy reliability so Ice can keep its position in Dragon Slaying. I could've given it to Ice, but Grass really has much more of an impact than anything else, so it seems to me like the ideal recipient for the immunity.


    Still, it's nothing more than a thought experiment. A proper type rebalancing would require more thought than that. (Give Ice a resistence to SOMETHING, even if just Water, deal with Dark types situation, change some things to neutral attacks here and there... I was going to go on detail on your blog post but then I came up with this)


    @Grass Type Warrior;
    Those are definitely the main problems of Ice: In the end there is a difference between how types interact with each other in theory, and the actual pokémon of these types that don't live up to it or exceed the type's expectations. ... And Ice gets the short end in both aspects.

    The kind of Pokémon it needs is a fast sweeper one, but the only of that kind we have is literally just Weavile, who isn't strong enough to cut it.
    That's why I keep talking about an hypothetical really fast Ice pseudo-legendary designed specifically to sweep Garchomp. It's exactly the kind of Pokémon the type needs. One that would enjoy the STAB and not mind a million weaknesses.


    But even with good Ice Pokémon, there's still the problem with Ice moves. It wouldn't be as bad if it was a type other than Water, of all things, because Water types are already very good for other reasons anyways. That's why I do think that for Ice to really be a good type, there either needs to be some sort of fundamental change that hinders Water types in some fashion, or some really good buff to Ice to choose it along its weaknesses over Water's benefits.
  3. Envoy's Avatar
    Fairies in myths have a very strong connection to nature, forests, and trees. One could argue that the former cannot exist without the latter (if you'd like to stretch it,) thus justifying Grass' immunity.

    With that said, I do like the sound of anything that makes Grass types stronger, and this wouldn't have been a bad change at all. However, I genuinely believe that the Ice type can be salvaged without the need to overhaul the type chart. Game Freak just needs to show it some goddamn respect.

    If the type has four weaknesses and only one resistance, it's obviously not a defensive type. So stop making bulky Ice types.

    Also, stop giving Water types access to all of Ice's best moves. If Water types didn't all get Ice Beam, Ice would have to be more popular due to it being one of the (now two) only Dragon killers in the game. At the very least, they should return the favor and have Ice types get access to Surf and Waterfall or something.
  4. Bolt the Cat's Avatar
    My blog post gets no love now.

    One problem: Grass gaining an immunity to Fairy wouldn't help Ice that much because Grass is weak to so many other types, and right now all of them (with the possible exception of Bug) are more useful than Ice. The only thing that would definitely fix Ice would if it gained one or more resistances from something, the problem is more which types Ice can take a hit against than which types could it defeat.

    Also, I'm not sure the real world logic for making Grass immune makes sense.
  5. Envoy's Avatar
    @Infinity Mk-II Wow. I just saw this. I feel soooo bad for not noticing it before. I'm so sorry.

    Anyway, I absolutely HATE discrimination in all its forms. My parents have this annoying tendency to call every Asian they see a 'Chinese,' and it annoys me to no end. I always ask them 'How do you know they're from China?' They get annoyed that I'm so persistent about it, but I don't care. Discrimination one of my berserk buttons.

    Being gay myself, I know that I certainly get angry whenever I see or hear say something homophobic, so in turn, I strive to not make anyone feel that way. This extends to trans people.

    I agree, one of the most hypocritical things I have ever seen is a transphobic homosexual. Life is life, in all its forms. We should celebrate it, not condemn it. Sometimes, people can be so stupid.

    /end rant.
  6. Infinity Mk-II's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Mitsuru
    In a related point, I find trans characters fascinating in fictional material. Adam is my favorite character on Degrassi (which, admittedly, I don't really watch), and he's FTM. I'd even like to write a trans character, myself, if I ever got the chance.
    I think it's really neat when such traits are represented in fiction. Nowadays there are enough homosexual characters sure, but there are still quite too few realistically and properly portayed transexual characters, and I believe that is key for society to understand the issue better.
    The only characters I know myself are mostly from works that are to some extent focused on it... which simply isn't really enough.
  7. Mitsuru's Avatar
    I'm homosexual, but I stand for bisexual, transgender and asexual rights all the same. I think people don't understand what being trans means, even less than they do for the common issue of homosexuality, so trans folk are simply seen as circus freaks to them. My parents are that way.
    I'd be all for helping educate people about these things, but I doubt they would listen. I do plan on talking to my parents about it, though. I'm not going to live with people like that.

    In a related point, I find trans characters fascinating in fictional material. Adam is my favorite character on Degrassi (which, admittedly, I don't really watch), and he's FTM. I'd even like to write a trans character, myself, if I ever got the chance.
  8. Master Mew's Avatar
    What's next, those born through non-natural means?
    Actually, that stigma is on the decline as the practice slowly becomes more common - not to mention the fact that, if you don't tell anyone how you were conceived, you can comfortably live out your days without anyone ever knowing - there is no physical or behavioral indication.

    No real risk of them being society's next punching-bag.
  9. Ghetsis-Dennis's Avatar
    Not to mention whenever you and the other user post at the same time, you get a pop up message saying if you want to leave the page or stay.
  10. The Outrage's Avatar
    Personally, I think its stat distribution will be this:

    HP: 125
    Atk: 150
    Def: 100
    SAtk: 150
    SDef: 100
    Spd: 95

    Basically a fusion of all their stats. I took the Reshiram and Zekrom's offenses, and I took Kyurem's highest stats that the other two didn't beat (HP and Speed). It's defenses wound up being taken from Reshiram/Zekrom's weaker defense, but I think with Kyurem's better HP, it winds up being defensively better.
  11. Infinity Mk-II's Avatar
    @Ghetsis-Dennis; I wasn't really thinking about tiers at all, but of course it would be an uber. It is supposed to be an insanely high-end legendary.

    What I was more concerned about is it eclipsing other comparable pokémon (particularly Reshiram and Zekrom themselves), which is why its movepool would have to be shallower so it doesn't become overpowered even among the overpowered ones.
    I figure that would be another way to reward a more strategic gameplay too, as this pokemon is supposed to be devastating when sent out at the right time, but easilly crippled by tricky thinking.
  12. Ghetsis-Dennis's Avatar
    I fear it'll still end up in Uber despite the shallow movepool, which means I won't be able to use it.
  13. Shinobu's Avatar
    I mainly don't like when people think free speech means they can make inflammatory remarks and no one else is allowed to make a rebuttal.

    Just remember, free speech means that you have a right to voice your opinion, and I have a right to say how incredibly stupid your opinion is.