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  1. FANG-TAN's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by dracoflare
    Whoa, that's a huge revamp to her character? =P But it sounds like a good mix of the characters you mentioned and sounds unique. Hurry up and buy the tablet! And if there's anyway I can help, tell me!
    Yeah, I'm really satisfied with the idea @Captain Blue and I came up with for her personality. I'm also pretty sure we came up with that in a random Skype convo that we somehow decided was genius. lol Though I'm afraid her revamp might cause people to ship her with Shigeru...

    I'll be sure to come to you as always for "prescreening" the scripts. :P

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadao
    Pocket Monsters: The Animation, the novel written by Shudou Takeshi and illustrated by Ichiishi Sayuri. The base foundation (or bible) of the animeverse in its early stages.

    Edit: Oh wait, you're referring to the Rebuild part. In that case it's...
    @Shadao Bingo! Though I might have subconsciously made a reference to the Shudo novels by adding "The Animation" in there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenixphlare
    Those are a specific type of game characters a lot of what the anime is pretty adaptation heavy. I mean all professors are major characters, each gym leader gets multiple episode DP and BW gave Ash rival's from the game etc. etc.
    I'm talking about the game avatars which are the main protagonists of the games this series is based on, who usually do not appear unless they are female. Or if there are special occasions like this where the character, who is otherwise the equivalent of Red, doesn't hog the limelight as the main protagonist.

    Professors, Gym Leaders, and rivals that were showcased in the anime literally have nothing to do with my gripe with Alan's presence. It's the blatantly intentional shafting of male Player Characters that gets to me. That, and certain game characters getting the shaft even though they probably work just as good as an anime-original character. Whether or not the anime studio is required to always showcase Gym Leaders in the show isn't relevant here. For instance, does it make any sense to tell a fan who is disappointed that Rocket Executive Apollo wasn't in the anime that, "Well, at least a handful of game characters besides Apollo are in the anime"?

    EEh I don't see the point of copy pasting a character design in the name of it being adaptation.
    And I don't see the point in changing it up either, especially when it's miniscule.

    That's like Nintendo of America taking the Super Famicom controller and removing the color variety on the buttons. Poof, we have the SNES controller. Was that small change a bad thing? No, at least not in terms of functionality. But it's pointless as hell.

    Also it's a character design but not a character. That's like if I made a Mario fan comic and there are no buzzy beetles except there a boss character who looks exactly like a buzzy beetle named Rick.
    Then that character is based on the Buzzy Beetle enemies from Super Mario Bros? I fail to spot the problem here. If I did, then I would have been as equally bothered by Krang from the old Ninja Turtles cartoon, who was based on the Utroms from the comics, yet no "actual" Utroms appear.

    You're using an enemy design from the Mario series for a character in a Mario comic, a fan-made one at that. Again, what's the problem?

    But in what way would he be Calem he'd just be some dick head named Calem. I don't see the when here. Why would I would want the same stuff over again. What's the point of giving this world a Calem if Calem is blank slate in a video game you can play? What would be the benefit?
    Congratulations, you just about summed up almost every game avatar who has ever had the (mis)fortune of being a main protagonist in this anime series. Satoshi, Kenta, Marina, Haruka, Hikari, and Serena were all based on silent game protagonists as well, and were given their own personalities as the writers saw fit. Why couldn't Aran be some dickhead named Calem that looks like Calem? What would be the downside? Literally none, just plenty of fans of that player character finally satisfied to see him animated, at the very least. And remember, seeing a character walk around in a 3DS game with jagged graphics is not the same as seeing them animated in an anime episode.

    What's the point of giving this world a Calem if Calem is a blank slate in a video game you can play? What's the point of making this series based on a video game at all when you can just play them? For the record, every character's a blank slate until they write them. Alan was literally just lines on paper until they decided "hm, let's give him aloof traits, a goal, etc." Using Calem's design and name, they would have skipped a step and saved resources by actually *using* their source material.

    I'm sorry, but it's ridiculous to say that (for example) making a Legend of Zelda manga without having Link as the protagonist (simply because he's originally silent in the games) and replacing him with some dude named Frank, is exactly the right way to go about things. I'm already giving Pocket Monsters leniency here by not mentioning how Satoshi has been protagonist for years on end even though his game counterpart ended in Kanto.
    Updated 18th April 2014 at 06:02 AM by FANG-TAN
  3. dracoflare's Avatar
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    Whoa, that's a huge revamp to her character? =P But it sounds like a good mix of the characters you mentioned and sounds unique. Hurry up and buy the tablet! And if there's anyway I can help, tell me!
  4. Shadao's Avatar
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    Pocket Monsters: The Animation, the novel written by Shudou Takeshi and illustrated by Ichiishi Sayuri. The base foundation (or bible) of the animeverse in its early stages.

    Edit: Oh wait, you're referring to the Rebuild part. In that case it's...
    Updated 18th April 2014 at 12:46 AM by Shadao
  5. Phoenixphlare's Avatar
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    Then where are the male Player Characters and the Generation V Player Characters in the anime? We have Red (Satoshi) and Hibiki (Kenta), and that Pokemon Ranger Hajime guy. Where are the rest? Yuuki and Kouki got cameos, but I hardly call that "enough" screen-time.

    I would love to see this supposed screen-time Mei got in the anime. Oh wait...
    Those are a specific type of game characters a lot of what the anime is pretty adaptation heavy. I mean all professors are major characters, each gym leader gets multiple episode DP and BW gave Ash rival's from the game etc. etc.



    It's an adaptation. Tweaking is welcome but isn't needed. Rather than lazy, in terms of being an adaptation, keeping the design is what we call "faithful".
    EEh I don't see the point of copy pasting a character design in the name of it being adaptation. Also it's a character design but not a character. That's like if I made a Mario fan comic and there are no buzzy beetles except there a boss character who looks exactly like a buzzy beetle named Rick.


    Then why are you watching the anime for its "original" characters? Alan could have easily been, say, exactly the same as he was in the special, only with a Calem-styled design. Unless you have some raging vendetta against the source material, I fail to see why you would be against that.

    Seeing as I'm comfortable with original characters in the various manga series, Alan wouldn't bother me as much if there was at least another anime featuring Calem. The special, I presume, takes place in the main anime's "Earth" so it would be a double-win with giving the anime its own Calem counterpart.
    But in what way would he be Calem he'd just be some dick head named Calem. I don't see the when here. Why would I would want the same stuff over again. What's the point of giving this world a Calem if Calem is blank slate in a video game you can play? What would be the benefit?
  6. FANG-TAN's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenixphlare
    I prefer non game characters. Game characters get enough screen time in the core anime.
    Then where are the male Player Characters and the Generation V Player Characters in the anime? We have Red (Satoshi) and Hibiki (Kenta), and that Pokemon Ranger Hajime guy. Where are the rest? Yuuki and Kouki got cameos, but I hardly call that "enough" screen-time.

    I would love to see this supposed screen-time Mei got in the anime. Oh wait...

    Also having the ace trainer having EXACT same design seems lazy other class based character show some difference.
    It's an adaptation. Tweaking is welcome but isn't needed. Rather than lazy, in terms of being an adaptation, keeping the design is what we call "faithful".

    Plus, substantial differences only existed in the 90s era of the anime, where Red got notable changes to his design as Satoshi, and was generally an era where "NPCs" and the Gym Leaders didn't look exactly the same as they did in their Sugimori art, but at the same time, kept the spirit of it. Nowadays we don't get much tweaking at all. Serena, for example: she's given a white collar instead of a black collar in the anime. Okay. Given the customization features that were available to her game counterpart, they could have done more with her design, like having her switch outfits and hairstyles every couple of episode like Cardcaptor Sakura instead of having a main outfit. If the design change is going to be so miniscule, there's no point in doing it.

    Ergo, as character designers/animators in charge of using concepts from a source material and turning it into animation, they are not obligated to change character designs and therefore it shouldn't be a criticism - rather, their changes can be a point of criticism if they're bad (i.e. Batman Forever's Schumacher Bat-Nipples). If the design was bad to begin with, then you could criticize the game for that. The question: Was there anything wrong with the female Elite Trainer's design that she needed to be completely rehauled for the anime? If not, then it needs no mention outside of trivia.

    I mean I don't play the games for the story so, why would I the game's story and characters?
    Then why are you watching the anime for its "original" characters? Alan could have easily been, say, exactly the same as he was in the special, only with a Calem-styled design. Unless you have some raging vendetta against the source material, I fail to see why you would be against that.

    Seeing as I'm comfortable with original characters in the various manga series, Alan wouldn't bother me as much if there was at least another anime featuring Calem. The special, I presume, takes place in the main anime's "Earth" so it would be a double-win with giving the anime its own Calem counterpart.
    Updated 17th April 2014 at 10:04 PM by FANG-TAN
  7. Phoenixphlare's Avatar
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    I prefer non game characters. Game characters get enough screen time in the core anime. Also having the ace trainer having EXACT same design seems lazy other class based character show some difference. I mean I don't play the games for the story so, why would I the game's story and characters?
  8. FANG-TAN's Avatar
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    @Shadao: That's a really good idea that could work - it definitely sounds like an amusing transition. I'll see if I can work it into my ideas while I'm making it. But rest assured, even if I don't follow through with your idea, Sonansu will definitely be added to their roster either way (originally off-screen, but your idea could make a nice omake chapter).

    I'll re-upload and post up Sayako's drawing again eventually (if I still have it on my computer). I actually threw away the sketch and am planning on drawing a new one. I revamped her character to be different from how I described for as well (thanks to @Captain Blue).
  9. Shadao's Avatar
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    Truthfully, this one of best Pokémon anime remake concept I have ever encountered on the web. I always dreamed of rebuilding the world of the Pokémon Anime before, but it never really took off. These ideas and concepts have reignited such interests, and I am willing to look forward for more of this. There are many suggestions I could give to you, but I don't know how far are you in the manga project so I'm just going to give one for now.

    Given that Jessie's Wobbuffet (Sonans) is one of the most popular Rocket Pokémon on the rooster, I believe it would it work better for the Rocket trio stay villainous for the entirely of the Kanto Saga, and halfway through the Johto before turning good. They could start out at the beginning of the Johto Saga trying to form their own (inept) Rocket organization before Vicious shows up and creates the more threatening new Team Rocket, which causes the trio to eventually reform. One of their schemes would be based on Trick of the Trade and like that episode, Jessie would end up trading Lickitung for a Wobbuffet.

    P.S. Sayako's Concept Art is not displaying for me. Is there any way to fix that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsutarja
    I am so glad everyone loved the lesbian sex at the very ending! There are mixed opinions on it, but I think it was amazing and a great development for the story.
    Homura shouldn't have looked so horrified after finally getting what she wished for.
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    I am so glad everyone loved the lesbian sex at the very ending! There are mixed opinions on it, but I think it was amazing and a great development for the story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HumanDawn
    I watched it yesterday! The lesbian sex was amazing!
    Lesbian sex is what Puella Magi is all about!
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    I watched it yesterday! The lesbian sex was amazing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silktree
    That's the thing: You're projecting Mewtwo's development onto Mew. The problem with that is that their circumstances are starkly different, so I fail to see why their lives should be parallel. Mewtwo was given an actual reason to strike back, whereas as far as we know Mew was never harmed by the existence of the clones. It didn't have to care about them to begin with, but it didn't have to intervene, either.
    Continuing with my previous rationale of why it arrived at the castle to begin with, which for the most part makes sense, why should Mew have the mentality to ignore its clone when said clone was hurling Shadow Balls at it and wasn't going to let it go without a fight? As said before, Mew was mocking Mewtwo through "play," already implying that it doesn't think too highly of its apparent copy from the moment it saw and learned of his existence. After Mew actually got hit by a Shadow Ball, it's clear that at that point Mew decided to humor him and display its powers - proving to the "fake" that "real" Pokemon are superior.

    Were it not for its ambiguous innocence coupled with the fact that it probably never had any experience with clones at that point, and thus had no reason to be merciful or empathetic enough to end the fight with words, it could have left with "whatever", but what would be the point then?

    Their lives aren't parallel, they are perpendicular, but their lives and beliefs were changed in very much the same way at the conclusion of the first film to the degree that they were now on common grounds. That's what I'm trying to get at.

    Mew's characterization shouldn't be dependent on what would best serve a conflict with Mewtwo. The movie didn't have to culminate in their battle.
    Then what would happen to the meaning supplemented by plot and presentation? Let's look into this for a second. The dub's characterization of Mew requires Mewtwo to be portrayed significantly evil and narcissistic about his powers compared to it. “Mew says you don’t prove anything by showin’ off a lot of special powers, and that a Pokemon’s true strength comes from da heart.” Whereas the Grey and Gray Mewtwo from the original movie is set off by the fact that his "real" counterpart basically confirmed that his existence isn't worth anything, an idea that plagued his mind the entire movie. Here's where it's clear that Mew's characterization would have caused a rift within the story had it been different.

    The entire death brawl during the climax of the story was supposed to be a Mirror Match in which Mew and Mewtwo were the centerpiece, with each Pokemon on each "side" thinking their status (or lack thereof) as God's creations makes them better than the other. If Mew lacked the characterization it had in the original depiction, it would have withheld fighting and got beaten down just like Pikachu. If the Mew from the dub interacted with the original depiction of Mewtwo, the constant build-up to their meeting, from the time Mewtwo was manipulated by the Rockets up to that point, would be terribly anti-climatic because the dub Mew (by nature) would try to convince Mewtwo that his existence is worth something. The very idea of a Mew existing before "Two" ignited Mewtwo's desire to fight. As its "copy", he felt that he needed to surpass that phantom Pokemon to prove his worth. And the battle with Mew in the uncut movie brought his internal conflicts full-circle. Somewhere along the line: Cue our main protagonist, of the race Mewtwo once grew to despise due to displaying themselves as greedy cowards, courageously sacrificing his well-being by running into the crossfire of these two juggernauts in an attempt to halt the fighting, because he values all Pokemon regardless of whether or not they were born in a lab. Surrounding him are the Pokemon who were previously trying to kill one another, putting aside their birth differences to mourn his loss. Imagine the effect this had on Mewtwo, and maybe even the confused Mew.

    Could the movie have done without the physical appearance of Mew? Yeah, but would Mewtwo, a laboratory attempt at reproducing a Mew born to fight, have been as concise of a character without Mew's existence being interconnected with his emotional turmoil and existential crisis? Could Mewtwo and Mew have confronted each other without physically duking it out? Yeah, sure. But I much rather have the meaning and emotional conflict that was present within the climax, leading to a meaningful conclusion, as opposed to say, Mew taking Mewtwo up to outer space, showing Mewtwo the sunset as they hold hands and kiss. Okay, that was an excuse to dish out a low-blow towards the 16th movie. Jokes aside, it's not like Mew and Mewtwo's battle was an inconsequential part of the film that could be taken out of the original movie and replaced with something else. Plot details and the direction of Mewtwo's character would have to be radically changed to conform to a new non-confrontational Mew. Just as the dub had to change anti-villain Mewtwo into a pure supervillain (with a sudden change of heart at the end) to conform to their portrayal of Mew as a superhero, because the superhero wouldn't fight him otherwise.
    Updated 13th February 2014 at 11:39 PM by FANG-TAN
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    I think it's safe to assume a parallel in that Mew does eventually display these noble qualities as well.
    That's the thing: You're projecting Mewtwo's development onto Mew. The problem with that is that their circumstances are starkly different, so I fail to see why their lives should be parallel. Mewtwo was given an actual reason to strike back, whereas as far as we know Mew was never harmed by the existence of the clones. It didn't have to care about them to begin with, but it didn't have to intervene, either.

    And, to be honest, the "caretaker of all, from the start" depiction of Mew doesn't really work with Mewtwo unless he's depicted as the hell-bent supervillain he was in the English adaptation.
    Mew's characterization shouldn't be dependent on what would best serve a conflict with Mewtwo. The movie didn't have to culminate in their battle.
    Updated 13th February 2014 at 12:39 PM by Silktree
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silktree
    But we never saw its nobility come into play, so this never paid off and we never learned anything about Mew outside of its conflict with clones. Shudo had his chance to flesh out Mew's character in the sequel, but obviously that wasn't a priority.
    Given that Mew was in agreement with its clone towards the end of the movie, and that Mewtwo displays a gradual, noble concern for the well-being of all life in the TV sequel following that character development, I think it's safe to assume a parallel in that Mew does eventually display these noble qualities as well. It's a damn shame we never got a real encore from this Mew, but it's not like they'll revisit the character now.

    There's a difference between showering everyone with affection and not encouraging violence.
    Yes, but is it really going to be as empathetic towards the rest of the populace as a whole, even the "copy cats", simply because it shares their ancestral DNA? Sure, there's the saying that blood runs thicker than water, but I think that's somewhat of a cop-out since that's clearly not true sometimes even in reality. A creature with godly power needs a jolt of wisdom to put them into the right direction in order for them to become a truly good deity rather than one that enforces its own beliefs. And, to be honest, the "caretaker of all, from the start" depiction of Mew doesn't really work with Mewtwo unless he's depicted as the hell-bent supervillain he was in the English adaptation.
    Updated 12th February 2014 at 09:06 PM by FANG-TAN
  17. Silktree's Avatar
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    Noble omnipotent beings are more intriguing when they have a basis for their nobility rather than just being written with unfaltering nobility from the start.
    But we never saw its nobility come into play, so this never paid off and we never learned anything about Mew outside of its conflict with clones. Shudo had his chance to flesh out Mew's character in the sequel, but obviously that wasn't a priority.

    Just because it biologically shares its DNA with all Pokemon doesn't mean it'll automatically harbor this deep love and empathy for every single one of them, especially when it chooses to be elusive.
    There's a difference between showering everyone with affection and not encouraging violence.
    Updated 12th February 2014 at 08:15 AM by Silktree
  18. FANG-TAN's Avatar
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    @Silktree

    Quote Originally Posted by Silktree
    I don't particularly care for the characterization Shudo gave Mew. It was kept enigmatic, but it's hard to understand what its exact objective was. Merely proving Mewtwo wrong? I'd hesitate to call it a multi-dimensional character. In my mind, Mew should be portrayed as a benevolent creature that cares about all Pokémon because it shares their DNA (so the clones, and especially Mewtwo, shouldn't be an exception). I'll admit that the interpretation about its inability to understand death might be interesting, though.
    It clearly thought the copies were below the originals in every way and didn't consider them "real".

    It didn't shed a tear when Satoshi was turned to stone. It was confused.

    It didn't bother saving Musashi's mom when the avalanche threatened her life in the Andes mountains. (Note: There's another theory that goes with the myths surrounding Mew's game counterpart - sensing the purity of Miyamoto's love for her daughter, Mew appeared before Miyamoto only for it to disappear when it sensed her greed.)

    Hardly a benevolent creature that cares about all life. However, I never saw it as an evil creature, and I think this Tumblr is spot-on as to why Mew acts apathetic towards death in the Mewtwo saga - its supposed immortality or god-like energy caused it to become displaced from the mortal realm; failing to understand why things die and change. It doesn't make it evil, but it can't exactly understand an inevitable fear of mortality which doesn't apply to it. I think this gives it a lot more dimension as a character in the clash between the real vs "copies" than a superhero that's completely free of spite, little understanding of the value of living, or prejudice (heck, originally it was implied that Mew was the one that instigated blocking the Pokemon's special abilities in an attempt to prove that the real Pokemon were superior). Just because it biologically shares its DNA with all Pokemon doesn't mean it'll automatically harbor this deep love and empathy for every single one of them, especially when it chooses to be elusive.

    Neither Mewtwo nor Mew were right or wrong in that battle. And I dare say they both learned valuable lessons after Satoshi's selfless sacrifice. I much prefer the grey and gray morality that's heavily implied in the original than the typical Hollywood black and white morality given in the dub. I mean, hey, perhaps the learning experience peaked Mew's curiosity enough to motivate it to try and understand "mortals" better and develop into the benevolent, empathetic creature that you prefer it to be portrayed as in the Shudo-verse. Noble omnipotent beings are more intriguing when they have a basis for their nobility rather than just being written with unfaltering nobility from the start.

    I agree with the blogger that, in a way, Anime Mew is subtly implied to be as multidimensional as its clone.

    Now, its motives and why it even entered the fray are unclear. Did it just happen upon Mewtwo's castle by chance, or was there something more that caused it to awaken from its bubble at the beginning of the first film (the onset of Mewtwo's storm)? Given its curious nature, I'd say it sensed Mewtwo's aura - an aura similar to itself (being its clone) - while Mewtwo was manifesting his storm, and decided to follow the direction of where it sensed that surge of power that was not unlike its own. (And I think it's safe to assume that at the time Shudo wrote this, this Mew was intended to be the one and only, so that may be somewhat taken into account as well.)
    Updated 12th February 2014 at 07:36 AM by FANG-TAN
  19. Silktree's Avatar
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    I don't particularly care for the characterization Shudo gave Mew. It was kept enigmatic, but it's hard to understand what its exact objective was. Merely proving Mewtwo wrong? I'd hesitate to call it a multi-dimensional character. In my mind, Mew should be portrayed as a benevolent creature that cares about all Pokémon because it shares their DNA (so the clones, and especially Mewtwo, shouldn't be an exception). I'll admit that the interpretation about its inability to understand death might be interesting, though.

    On an unrelated note regarding the Tumblr blog:

    I’ve tried - I’ve truly tried - to like Mega Mewtwo X and Mega Mewtwo Y, but I just can’t get myself to like those forms. I even went so far as to attempting to watch the Genesect/Mewtwo movie, but I was bored right from the start. It’s great if you liked that movie, but unfortunately (in my opinion!) it lacked the emotional substance that came with earlier Mewtwo features. (I think at this point we can all agree that there’s also more than one Mewtwo now, but… not going into that ramble again.) Anyway, due to my own immature bias, I will only post content of the Mega Mewtwos very rarely and ultimately as fan service.

    In short, this means that I will continue to focus on content of Mewtwo prior to Generation VI/6.
    This isn't immature bias - it's a completely reasonable reaction. Why let some highly questionable decisions ruin Mewtwo as a whole? I had given Mega Mewtwo and Movie 16 the benefit of the doubt, but that backfired terribly. Now it's time to pretend those things never happened.
    Updated 12th February 2014 at 04:39 AM by Silktree
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    Nyoron~
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