Too many Legendaries?

[Dagoth Ur]

I personally think that there are too many Legendaries in Pokemon. Let's go down the list of legendary Pokemon and their roles:

1) Moltres (bird of fire)
2) Articuno (bird of ice)
3) Zapdos (bird of lightning)
4) Mewtwo (psychic alien/mutant)
5) Mew
6) Suicune (wolf of north wind)
7) Entei (lion of fire)
8) Raikou (tiger of lightning)
9) Celebi (forest spirit)
10) Lugia (guardian of ocean currents)
11) Ho-oh (phoenix)
12) Regirock (tomb guardian)
13) Registeel (tomb guardian)
14) Regice (tomb guardian)
15) Latias
16) Latios
17) Kyogre (builder of sea)
18) Groudon (builder of land)
19) Rayquaza (dragon of the sky)
20) Jirachi (the miracle Pokemon)
21) Deoxys (alien/mutant)

Honestly, I feel that 21 is already more than enough. So, is there anybody who agrees that enough is enough, or do people want even more Legendaries?

[brandon™]

I don't think they've gone too far. At least they're different in some way, like Mew's ability to learn any tm. I do think some are too generic though, like the Regi's and Latias/Latios. That's too much like the legendary dogs, and the Lati@s arent really that great of legendaries. I don't think they should make anymore, or they won't be so special.

[Jaycia]

I think that legendaries are ok, I think they have to have some for each new land. And by the way, you forgot Unown...if you consider Unown legendary. They appear too much in the games to be legendary, I guess but in the movies they make them appear legendary.

[Shiksa ♥]

I think the problem with legendaries is redundacy. There was no way that three Regi's were necessary, and things like that. If they come up with more creative ones, I welcome them.

And isn't Jiraachi more officially the "wish" Pokémon...?

[Iveechan]

I dislike legends. You can't even use them most of the time because they're frequently banned from normal teams.

[bell02+]

My theory is if they make a new set of games, then a new set of legendaries could be needed. *nods*

[Iveechan]

But the thing is that they seriously overdid it with the legends in the newer games.

[☆欠番☆]

Well, look at it this way. How many legendary creatures do we have in the real world? If you ask me, Pokemon doesn't have NEARLY as many.

And Mewtwo's not legendary, Mewtwo's a lab freak.

[Blackjack Palazzo]

In gameplay he's considered a legendary.

[Dratini927]

Well, 21 is a lot...If you have only 40 Pokemon. But there are 386 Pokemon total, and 21 of 386 is a really low number. I don't even think that there are a lot at all. When you start to see about 100 legendaries, then you have too many.

I do agree that the Fire Red and Leaf Green really overdid it with the legendaties. You can get just about ever one in there. But they may have done that just so you can get them on the new series of games. But they may have been able to make new games if they spread the legendaries out.

But so far, there are not that many legendaries in these games.

[BenRG]

While I would like to see a Grass/Flying-type legendary bird, I think that they have over-used the Legendary Pokémon concept in the games. They are clearly running out of ideas, as is shown by the three "Regis" in Ruby and Sapphire.

The need to create a 'gimmick' for the next game shouldn't make them drown the poor thing in ill-thought-out, pointless 'god-Pokémon'.

[TRF-chan]

It doesn't really bother me, except for having to go through all that trouble to get the three Regi's so I can complete my Pokédex when I find them fugly and useless - they should have just been regular Pokémon. Maybe there'd be a pre-evo, and depending on which stone/item you used on them, they would evovle according, like Eevee.

As long as they don't pull out more Regi-things, I'm fine with more legendaries.

[evkl]

21 out of 386. Less than 6%. Eleven out of every two hundred isn't that bad of a number for legendaries...

[Trainer-c]

Every Pokemon game needs legendarys. Since one of the main goals in the Pokemon games is to catch all Pokemon.

[Mikeachu]

I wouldn't say so much that there are too many legendaries as I would say there are too many legendaries in Ru/Sa! There's Groudon & Kyogre and there's the Regis and Latios & Latias and 3 other, unconnected legends!

[Andrew]

I'd say there are too many. Darn Legendaries, next thing we'll have a Legendary for your Lunchbox "This Pokemon protects your food from any misfortunes, and keeps your salad roll from getting soggy! ^^"

Quite frankly, some of them are atrocious, and need to be culled, hopefully, next time, they won't go as overboard.

Besides, aren't there more legendaries, than Dragons, which kind of makes Dragons probably the most rare type?

[FalconriderX]

I really do think that there are too many legendary pokemon. I mean, four was an exceptable amount in the first games! Are they really that LEGENDARY if there are a lot of them?

[Hyper Togepi]

generation 1: 4 +1 secret
generation 2: 5 +1 secret
generation 3: 8 +2 secrets

If this pattern continues:
Generation 4: 10 +3 secrets (plus the other 17 old ones and 4 secrets make... 27 and 7 secrets... no one wants to catch that many legendaries...)

Coming soon: Legandary Housepets!

[FireEmblemSP]

I'm fine with more legendaries, otherwise we wouldn't have very many Pokemon movies! ;)

[bell02+]

I doubt they are going to make 10 legendaries for the next games. :-p

but in a porportional sense there are less legendaries:

5/150= 3 1/3%
11/250= 4.4%
17/386= 4.04% a little less

I don't think there are too much, I hope they do make more for the next game because the stories behind them usually are intresting.

[Zapdos]

I think there are already enough legendaries with more legendaries Everyone would lose easier for example you are battling a friend and they have a team composed of legendaries and you have a normal team you will probably lose so I think enough with the legendaries they may make the game easier but it just won't feel the same beating the elite four with legendary team then a normal one.

[Alabaster.j.cat]

I actually think their should be a few more legendaries. More things like a pre evo to lugia and ho-oh would be cute, Or likea pokemon that could evolve into All teh legendary birds, Like a legendary bird form of evee

[Drake Dragon]

Too many blasted Legendaries. Too many pokemon, too...what ever happened to the classic days of the one-hundred and fifty? :ohdear:

[evkl]

There were never 150. There was 151, and then 251, and now 386.

[Drake Dragon]

There were only one-hundred and fifty...but Nintendo began activating the Mew hacks and "legalizing," the one-hundred and fifty-one standard.

*sigh*

It was a simpler age. Too many names to remember now. @.@;

[Zeta]

For the record, I think we need a storm Legendary. Not like an Electric one - like Raikou or Zapdos. Or one that causes floods like Kyogre.

More like a Legendary version of Castform. A hurricane/tornado Legendary. Since most Legendaries represent some potentially destructive form of nature manifested - and storms are something that's been kind of overlooked. An opposite of Rayquazza, if you will.

Honestly, I feel that 21 is already more than enough. So, is there anybody who agrees that enough is enough, or do people want even more Legendaries?

We need more. Legendaries are living myths. It's a regional thing - every country has it's own set of myths. The only mythical creature that appears in more than one or two cultures is the dragon. Everything else kind of stands on it's own.

You can see some of those myths in the Legendaries themselves. Pheonixes - Asian AND Western (Moltres, Ho-oh, Articuno), Thunderbird of Native American myth (Zapdos), the dryads and faeries of Greek and Celtic Myths (Celebi), Golems from Jewish folklore, the Biblical Behemoth and Leviathan (Groudon and Kyogre), and of couse - the Djinn or Genie from Arabian tales (Jirachi).

So if every region in the real world has it's own set of myths, it only makes sense the same would be true for the Pokemon world. The only difference is that all of the Pokemon world's myths are true.

Well, look at it this way. How many legendary creatures do we have in the real world? If you ask me, Pokemon doesn't have NEARLY as many.

Precisely my point. ;)

And Mewtwo's not legendary, Mewtwo's a lab freak.

Indeed. Mewtwo doesn't have any legends behind him. He's simply science gone wrong. Mewtwo's only been around for around 4 years, Pokemon world time - and it takes more than four years to truly make a legend. ;) But in terms of power, use, and general application - he falls in with the others.

Ruby and Sapphire did go a bit overboard on the Legendaries, but I believe this was only so that Hoenn would be equal to what Johto and Hoenn have together. Check this out:

Legendaries of FireRed/LeafGreen:
Mewtwo
Zapdos, Moltres, Articuno
Raikou, Suicune, Entei
Lugia and Ho-oh

Hoenn Legendaries:
Groudon, Kyogre, Rayquazza
Reigice, Registeel, Regirock
Latios and Latias

This doesn't include Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, or Deoxys since they're all kind of "extras".

See? Methinks that one set of the Hoenn Legendaries was actually supposed to be held over till the next game (Regi Trio?), but when they decided to make Kanto of FireRed/LeafGreen house the Legendaries of Kanto AND Johto - they needed to toss in some more to even up the odds between the two regions. That's just my theory, though.

[MondoTR]

I don't really care. I just think of legendaries like I think of the rest of the Pokemon. I like some and I don't really like others. I don't see the big deal.

[bell02+]

Well, if the issue if of people worried about battling trianers with all legendary teams I feel the next set of games should do this (to effort points):

I believe it should have special conditions and minigames for training pokemon to learn new moves, improve specific stats to much higher than adverage levels, and develop a second characteristic (that is more to the personal level of the monster and the specific training you go threw) to where a legendary in the same position could be conisdered equal.

Also before anyone jumps the gun, to maximize this to the state, it would be a lot harder in the fact of a lot more time to be put in a specific monster.

here's an example of what I'm saying:

You are raising a pikachu for example,

first, you put pikachu through a lot of water battles to bring up a slight resistance to water (IE resistance I believe is 50% of normal damage, In this case it'd add 25% resistance to water, there also is a limitation to things that can be resisted and others will effect other stats). A lot would be maybe 25 pokemon to 5%, 50 to 10%, 75 to 15%, and 100 to 25% . It also would probably be boosing one of it's stats slightly.

Next you can now come up-on the option to go up to the beach (at least after 15% resistance), buy a surf board and have pikachu practice surfing through the mini game. after 500-1000 games pikachu learns surf and can play the hard version of the minigame.

After 1000 surfing games pikachu learns a new characteristic of "perfect balance" keeping it from ever flinching in a match.

Hard and tedious, but rewarding in the end. And it'll make legendaries not seem as hard to face in level 100 battles.

[stella]

The more legendaries the better.Lengendary pokemon are the most powerful.Also the most heroic.Well to me they are.

[deja0entendu]

I don't consider Deoxys a legendary Pokemon... sure he was powerful, but he's like Mewtwo, something from a horrible sci-fi film

we need more legendaries
whoever pointed it out was right, it's like a regional thing

[BenRG]

I think that the term 'Legendary Pokémon' is used too often and sometimes in the wrong way. For some reason, the term has become associated with the one-off Pokémon and those that can only be obtained from Nintendo special events. Indeed, the case of Arcanine shows that even common Pokémon sometimes are known as 'legendary'.

However, I think that the only real Legendary Pokémon are those with legends about them (duh! :-p ). Basically, those who have god-like roles or reputations (examples: the Birds, the Dogs, Mew and the Unown) are Legendary. However, I would rate the Regis as just one-off Pokémon like the fossil Pokémon from RBY. Mewtwo is only Legendary in that he is a one-off and manages to cover his tracks very well. Deoxys is, of course, an intelligent extraterrestrial and probably isn't technically a Pokémon at all.

Personally, while I understand the commercial impetus to create a new legendary group for each new game, I think that comical-looking Jirachi shows that the whole thing is going a bit too far. Pokémon should be wary of falling into the trap that consumed the Star Trek franchise - Do not always chase off after the New Big Thing because that way lies running out of ideas and going stale far more quickly. Rather ensure that your fans get more of the things that attracted them to the franchise in the first place.

[Melkor]

Well, look at it this way. How many legendary creatures do we have in the real world? If you ask me, Pokemon doesn't have NEARLY as many.

How many animal species do we have in the real world? If you ask me, Pokemon doesn't have nearly as many. It is the same ^^U

I'll welcome some more legendaries if they have a legend behind them. Not like with the regis precisely.

I believe it should have special conditions and minigames for training pokemon to learn new moves, improve specific stats to much higher than adverage levels, and develop a second characteristic

But making some minigames for each Pkmn makes it impossible.

If you make minigames for only some selected Pkmn (for example all the starters), then you're making new "kind-of" legendaries, since they will have more power than the normal ones (I use the concept of legendaries that involves power, not myth)

If you make minigames for each Pkmn (with differences, I mean), then just make a new game for those minigames, like the Wario ones (that could go, yup, and even goes with Nintendo's purposes of selling more games)

[Misty]

My belief is that legendary Pokemon should be expelled from future generations. For instance, no Articuno/Moltres/Zapdos in anything past RBY. No Raikou/Suicune/Entei in anything but GSC. Same goes with Mew, Celebi, Lugia, Ho-oh, Regis, Latis, Groudon, Kyogre, Rayquaza, Deoxys, Jirachi... everything is locked into its gen and nothing more. This actually makes quite a bit of sense in some respects - for instance, if we say Red caught the birds and Mew/Mewtwo, why is Gold suddenly able to get them too?

Sadly, this is a bit of a cruel solution and would irk numerous people :/

[Sharpshooter]

I'm ok with a few per generation say, but not excess, since it just becomes ridiculous for battling purposes as it gives more and more players to constantly pick these types of pokémon everytime they assemble their squads. I think the problem was with the second generation where, correct me if I'm wrong, we had around 5 legendaries from the 100 availible to us, that was too many, and perhaps for one the future generations we should have only one at most to balance it out.

The animé hasn't been too much of a problem, since more often than not, you're lucky enough to encounter at least one legendary per region (excluding the movies and whatnot). Although in actual fact, Johto was very good at portraying this since we had a good arc on Lugia, and covered to a certain extent, Raikou, Suicune, and Entei and with Celebi in the 4th movie as well of course.

[GrnMarvl13]

I think that comical-looking Jirachi shows that the whole thing is going a bit too far.

Personally, I like Jirachi. And it has a legend behind, so it falls into any definition of the "legendary" category. But to each his own.

I really don't care when it comes to legendaries. If there are more, great, if not...oh darn. To me, they're just harder to capture Pokemon...nothing special about them. Sometimes they're fun additions, sometimes they're annoyances when trying to fill up the Pokedex, and sometimes...they're just Pokemon.

[Mori Seirei]

Well, I honestly don't mind legendaries. ^___^ I think that there are just the right amount. ^o^ I do hope that we don't get totally flooded with legendaries as Pokemon goes on though. x_X I do think we need more dragons. XD

~Kelsey

[Caseydia]

No, there is not enough. In each game there is only one of them and some of them aren't even the same game. They a few more that one in each game.

[pkmnlover]

Wow, if you look at the list, there are alot of them. But I really dont mind them all. As long as there is no war or anything! (lol. Don't mind my weirdness...)
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[Jshadias]

Some legendary Pokemon are not particularly hard to face in battle. Entei for instance is pretty sad, along with Moltres and Articuno... The regis are alright on the right team I guess, but certainly not overpowered. Beating a team of all-legendary (non-uber) Pokemon isn't even particularly difficult with a "normal" team... and since ubers are already banned from play, people who say "legendaries are cheap" might as well say "good Pokemon are cheap", at least they wouldn't be labeling Entei as cheap.

[patapikachu]

The RSFLE generation had far too many "legendaries" IMO. The staple trio and big+small duo, plus Latios/Latias and Kyogre/Groudon. Not to mention that half of those are unobtainable in a standalone game. At least, back during the RBY era, only Mew was unobtainable.

More reasons to go to Nintendo events...

[evkl]

What's the "big-small duo"?

[Misty]

I think he meant Jirachi/Deoxys.

[Molly]

R/S has many legendaries and I don't really like it. Some of them don't have own story. In S/G/C every legendary pokemon had "something to say". We could find some info about 3 dogs and 2 birds from Ecruteak peeps. 2 people from Ilex Forest said about Celebi. It was fine.
R/S- we can hear only about Groudon and Kyorge. We know nothing about 3 Regis, Deoxys, Jirachi and L&L. They aren't necessary. Regi-Trio is quite freaky (3 legendary stones) so Nintendo could kick them from a game. They could write a nice story about Latias and Latios. Deoxys is a lame so they could take it from a game too. oh and I forgot about Rayquaza. Oh man, R/S has so many legendaries, I don't remember them all!

[Zeta]

R/S- we can hear only about Groudon and Kyorge. We know nothing about 3 Regis, Deoxys, Jirachi and L&L. They aren't necessary. Regi-Trio is quite freaky (3 legendary stones) so Nintendo could kick them from a game. They could write a nice story about Latias and Latios. Deoxys is a lame so they could take it from a game too. oh and I forgot about Rayquaza. Oh man, R/S has so many legendaries, I don't remember them al!

We hear lots about Groudon and Kyogre. I imagine the full story behind Rayquaza will be covered in Emerald.

The Ruin Maniacs tell the story of the Golems.

We never hear anything about Deoxys because it's not a R/S Legendary. It's chiefly intended to be a Kanto Legendary. It's just a NEW Kanto Legendary.

[peanutbuttermewtwo]

I think that the legendaries have been overdone. In the first round of games, we got to follow up stories and look for rarities because we didn't know whether or not they were real. There was every possibility they were just red herrings. After that, you know that the legendary charcter of every game is out there somewhere.

Another problem is this: Once you begin to create new legendary characters, they don't have the same "oomph" that the first few did. Not only that, but the old ones lose their potency. The Mewtwo character was interesting, sort of an extention on the way that the birds were discovered, but the hidden Mew was genius. If my memory serves, Mew was added late in the game and not all of the developers knew it was there. The rumours sold gameboy games long after most games faded out. Now there's so little freshness, it's sad. I miss 151.

[Zeta]

This actually makes quite a bit of sense in some respects - for instance, if we say Red caught the birds and Mew/Mewtwo, why is Gold suddenly able to get them too?

By that logic, players in Generation III shouldn't be able to get Raikou because Anabel has it. And Latias and Latios should be uncatchable because Tucker has them. >_> It just doesn't adhere that much to continuity.

I think that the legendaries have been overdone. In the first round of games, we got to follow up stories and look for rarities because we didn't know whether or not they were real. There was every possibility they were just red herrings. After that, you know that the legendary charcter of every game is out there somewhere.

That's only for people who don't read magazines or look up info on reputable websites.

[Misty]

I consider Battle Frontier outside the continuity. It's for the sake of challenge, not advancing a story.

[pkmnlover]

Wouldn't it be cool if there was a movie with ALL of the ledgondaries? Well, it would get a little crowded....

[swampert master]

I dont really mind ,but in ruby/sappire there to many way to many also in every pokemon genaration theres always some lengendires.If they dont have lengendires not much of a game really.

[Archaic]

Japan is said to have eight million gods. It's not literal, it's simply meant to mean that there's a great large number of them, however, given this fact, I certainly can't see the number of legendaries we've been given in each generation thusfar as being too many.

[Surly Old Man]

I think there are too many Legendaries right now, but only because of a lack of inspiration.

I'd really like to see some interesting ones that cover aspects of nature we don't see in pokemon often but are important: Death, pestilence, darkness, war.

Not that those are great, but they really can't not exist in a pantheon of gods.

[FireEmblemSP]

How's everyone liking Rukario? :D

[DiasRaven]

I just saw a picture of Rukario and I think the guy looks awsome. I think that the legendaries in general are Cool and great for casual play and theme teams however as for as contests goes I think that too many people will probbably use them.

[Ice Rabbit]

Who cares? They're just Pokémon. I don't see how it matters. Seriously, none of them are really godlike.

In my humble opinion, Rukario is fugly.

Why not moan about there being too many "normal Pokémon"? There's no real difference.

[DarkShadowSmoke]

Well the spot does need to be filled.It's kinda like saying to many fire pokemon or too many ground types.It's just a spot that needs to be filled.Sorta like a society how we have our uppers and such.It doesn't really bother me that they have as many as they do.

[Surly Old Man]

I think the annoyance really has a reason. There are just a few pokemon that are far, far too powerful. They will simply appear on every team, with the same sets, making batles dreadfully boring. Mewtwo, FR Deoxys and Kyogre spring to mind.

Also, aren't a lot of Legendaries redundant? Why are there three legendary fire pokemon?

[sdp]

Well, the way i see it is the ratio from legendaries to normal PKMN is still low enough to be "legendary", es r/s does overkill with so many legendaries, but i wouldn't trade any of them now that i know them.

It also depends how you look at it, if theres more than one of them then their not that unique, they're still rare, but not only few people know legends. When r/b first came out i thought there was only 1 of each bird, but i'm glad other PKMN media has made this untrue, it makes it neater, giving space too, i also assume there is more than 1 legendar beasts, ho-oh, lugia, celebi, deoxys, lati@s, not so sure about the others, but then it makes the other special, becuse they're unique, like Mewtwo there can only be one. As long as they're rare legendary it's ok with me, now if they were all one of a kind then yeah there would be too many to make it "beleivable"

[ades]

I remember in the Red Version that I was pretty excited when I met Zapdos or Moltres. There was a certain mystique surrounding them and although that was mostly to do with us not knowing anything about them, I also believe it was the fact there were a handful of them. That gave them uniqueness, a quality that IMO should be assigned to very few pokemon.

I think there are too many 'major' legendaries. For the next game, I would like to see a scattering of mini legendaries. Not too powerful and lightly connected to a plot.

[Virtual Headache]

Yeah, there are definitely too many now.
They lost everthing which was special about them.

[ydoog]

there is not that many legondaries 21/350 or something along the line of that. personaly i like a few new legondaries for ever new region.

[FabuVinny]

A few new legendaries is fine. But...

Red and Blue had 4, (5 if you include Mew.)
Gold and Silver had 5, (6 if you include Celebi)
Ruby and Sapphire had 8 (10 if you include Jirachi and Deoxys.)

Bearing in mind that you still need all of the previous legendaries in every generation, they need to add less to D/P!

[samuelchase]

I think they went a little overboard in the Hoenn region...

[Roses Ablaze]

I think each region should have no more than 5 or 6 legendaries (this assumes that each region has 100~150 new pokemon).

[Alabaster.j.cat]

I think 4 or 5 is enough. But im tired of these legendary trios. If they are going to have a lot of legendaries they need to have NOTHING in common, except maybe type. Maybe.

[raekuul]

1st Gen: Mewtwo*, Mew, Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres. (5) Fits the bill.
2nd Gen: Ho-oh, Lugia, Suicune, Entei, Raikou, Celebi (6+5=11) That's a challenge!
3rd Gen: Regirock, Registeel, Regice, Latias, Latios, Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza (8+11=19) Okay, that's just rediculous!
Other: Jirachi, Deoxys (19+2=21) I don't think these should even exist, but you know poke-hollywood: They always need a legend for the movies.
Anyone see a pattern here? Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, and Deoxys were created for the movies. Mew lucked into the programming for R/B/Y, Celebi (from my understanding) was in G/S/C only in Japan, Jirachi and Deoxys are probably not even IN the games!

[Blackjack Palazzo]

Created for the movies? And I have them *in* my games, dude.

[raekuul]

1- Nintendo starts "supporting a Mew Hack".
2- Celebi (and the GS Ball Sequence) was removed from the anglicized versions.
3- I have yet to hear of Jirachi or Deoxys in an official Pokedex.

[Blackjack Palazzo]

So how come they're easy to catch? Jirachi you can get from a freakin' preorder disk!

[Gamerstud]

I really enjoy the roles legendaries play in the game. Though I do agree that R/S overdid it a tad.

For D/P...I'd hope to see a few changes though...
1. Actual storyline behind legendaries...I enjoyed Groudon/Kyogre greately in R/S, because they were made important.

2. More unquie legendaries...Groudon behing Type1/Ground made it something special. I loved it. The three Regis would have been something special if they had put more story behind them.

3. No more Type2/Flying legendaries. I've had just about enough of those. If they really want flying legendaries, then just put Lati@s into the new game and give them more of a storyline this time.
P.S. I dont mean just technically flying types, I mean pokemon that fly in the sky in general.

4. Even though overdone, I've nothing against more Type1/Psychic legendaries. But they idea of the games biggest baddest Legendary being Psychic should be put to rest. A Pure Dark legendary would be awesome I think.(a pure Dragon legendary wouldnt be so bad either)

[creepy_kecleon]

I like Ledgendaries^_^
i made a story called War of the Ledgendary Pokemons, a really good story with all the ledgendary Pokemons, but didnt write it yet=P
(and never will, because i suck at writing stories.)

[raekuul]

What about...
Fighting/Psychic?
Ice/Dragon?
Flying/Ground (Note order) legendaries?

[Dark Espeon]

There will always be legendaries. Thing is, I like none so far. There is nothing great about them if you ask me (the stats and movepool may be great but if I don't like the look the stats or movepool mean nothing >>).

Or maybe is just that they have yet to make one with a type I like, such as Grass (for some reason I don't like Celebi much; in fact, it is the second Grass type I dislike the most). Another type that would please me in legendaries would be Bug and Poison.

The existing Legendaries are okay, except for the Regis. As I always say, they're pathetic excuses for Pokémon. They can keep making Legendaries for all I care; all I ask is that they come up with more original types (enough with the dragons, psychics and elemental legendaries!)

[Willku]

Legendaires make the game go round. Also To the last guy..

There is a Legendary Dragon.. There is an Ice one.. There are rock.. There is almost ever kinda Legendary type. But we still need a Grass.

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[Blackjack Palazzo]

Celebi's Grass/Psychic, so there's your Grass Legendary.

[FabuVinny]

Or maybe is just that they have yet to make one with a type I like, such as Grass (for some reason I don't like Celebi much; in fact, it is the second Grass type I dislike the most). Another type that would please me in legendaries would be Bug and Poison.

Anyway, I would like to see some of the types we haven't seen before. A dark legendary, anyone?

[Pokemon Fan]

Going through the posts here I've seen a number of good arguments of why the number of Legendaries is just fine and how we could use more, but the arguments for there being too many legendaries have made little sense to me. As far as I can tell they consist of this:

1. It's too hard to catch them all so they shouldn't make more.

2. They are no longer special because there are so many.

3. They are too powerful and therefore shouldn't exist.

These all seem quite weak arguments to me. As explained in previous posts each region of the world has different legends with little overlap (though dragons exist in almost every culture's legends) so each new region of Pokemon gets new legends, and since proportionally more new Pokemon are released with each generation, more legends are released. Special, difficult to get Pokemon have always been in the games and always will be. If you think the games legends are not as special due to there being more of them, wouldn't it be more boring if the games didn't have any special Pokemon?

Most of the legendary Pokemon are simply rare and powerful Pokemon that you aren't allowed to breed in the games, only some of them are legends on a god-like level. I hardly see how this is so wrong.

Current posters should really try reading through earlier posts and not make these pointless one line posts where you say "RS overdid it" or "there are too many legendaries" without giving any valid reason for your views.

[Another Fan]

I read a couple of posts and I say I enjoy legendaries but I like them hidden. Like I love the Regi's. I find it awesome these gigantic golems with no heart or soul sealed in seperate chambers across the land to hide their power. But stuff like Latios and Latias, yeah its cute and it is neat to have brother and sister legends but don't make it so bland. It seems to me like they're just psychic dragons. Yeah the soul dew is neat I guess but I wish they're signature's moves matched or made sense. I mean Mist Ball?

[Roses Ablaze]

Personally, I'd like to see legendary pokemon based on those four Chinese gods (the tortoise, the phoenix, the dragon, and the tiger)

[SpriteCollecter007]

If there're different enough from each other, there should be more. If there're all basically the same,21 is enough for me

[*Orion*]

Personally, I'd like to see legendary pokemon based on those four Chinese gods (the tortoise, the phoenix, the dragon, and the tiger)
That's most likely the pattern the Legendary Trios are following...

Suzaku (Phoenix): Articuno/Zapdos/Moltres.
Byakko (Tiger): Raikou/Entei/Suicune.
Genbu (Turtle/Golem): Regirock/Regice/Registeel. (Genbu is depicted as a golem at times... but it's meant to be a Turtle indeed.)

If that's actually true, the next Trio will be one of Dragons. Oriental Dragons to be precise, resembling Seiryuu. Still, this pattern has a few flaws...

-Genbu is a Turtle, even if depicted as a Golem in a few stories. That'd mean that the Regis really don't fit this pattern.
-They're not in the same location as the Cardinal God they're trying to represent, if any. Suzaku was in the South, not the East. Byakko is in the East, not the West (Or was it the other way around? Which would mean the Beasts do fit Byakko's location...). Genbu is in the North, not the South...

I would like to see major Legendaries resembling those Gods, though...

Oh well. As for the topic in hand, I like to have legends. They're cool. I'm not fond of Legendary Pokémon... I don't mind them much. They're cool and everything, but they're not to play with them. Just to collect them... =/

There might seem to be too many, but not really. And you know there'll be more, so complaining won't do jack squat. ;)

[Crucificus]

I like legendaries. Comparing the number of legendaries to the full number of Pokemon, the legendary level doesn't seem too high. However, what they should try to stop doing is increasing the number of the new levels that enter the game.

Kanto introduced 5
Johto introduced 6
Hoenn introduced 10

Ten new legendaries was a bit OTT for me, but, still keep legendaries coming. As the number of Pokemon increases, I believe the number of legendaries should too.

[Crimson Moon]

Legendaries are awesome! When ever I learn of a new one I always try to find a way to capture it! I've been this obssesed with legendaries since I was a kid, and it's probably because (in my opinion) they look cool. Plus I love their powers and everything else that a legendary posseses.

*~E_G~*

[Fuoorin]

Well I agree with the fact that there are too many legendaries, but each one is having it's calculated appearence in the anime; you won't see two episodes that will present two different legendaries, one in each other, becuase at this rate, the storyline will risk getting boring. Take for example Articuno's first appearence in the series(Middle Season 4) and Zapdos's(Middle Season 5): there are almost 60 episodes separating these two legendaries(although they don't have a really complicated role in those episodes);meanwhile, in Revelation Lugia, they appear all togheter in one movie(and that is of real importance), the movie that had the most legendaries of all the pokemon movies.

What we all know is that the legendaries keep appearing(especially in the movies) each time there is a new region to encounter and now, with Ash and Co. travelling thru Kanto, who knows what other legendaries could appear in their path(well maybe the writers will put Rukario in this season aswell)
*informs others about a possible appereance of Raikou sometime in the middle of 2006s' spring*
Also I am curious to see what legendary will be joining Kyogre in the next Movie.:-)

[FabuVinny]

Actually, I think the latest one had more legendaries. Movie 2 had four legendaries, while movie 8 had five, (six if you include Ho-oh.)

If there is another legendary in the next movie, then it will be a D/P legendary. Just as Mew was joined by Lucario.

I would be disappointed if we got no legendaries in D/P. Well, we know about Lucario anyway, but a few more would be good. But anything equal to or more than two trios, a duo and two unobtainables would be a bit much. Especially as the number of non-legendaries per region is dropping.

[Fuoorin]

You're right. I had almost forgotten that the Regis are considered legendaries XD....Offtopic: Could we expect Rukario appearing in the future episodes of Battle Frontier or next season after this??(I intuited that up from the season 9 teaser, though dunno if it can be possible)

[ImJessieTR]

I wouldn't mind seeing Legendaries (in the games) if they had some greater role in the story, like how Groudon and Kyroge could threaten the whole world. I would've liked to see Mewtwo go on a rampage and start destoying stuff all over Kanto before settling in the Unknown Dungeon. Celebii could've had a greater presence. I like how many are portrayed in the anime and I wish they could be that cool in the games.

[Crucificus]

I agree with ImJessieTR. It would be so much cooler if there was more to the legendaries with stories and them rampaging through the game. Celebi and Mewtwo could definitely have played more of a role. The braille with the Regis was awesome, but they coulda changed it a bit so it had a bit more story. The legendary birds could be flying and putting people in fear. Those kinds of things would be really fun and interesting. They are portrayed excellently in the Anime.

[Fuoorin]

Now wait a second: You are mentioning the legendaries in the R/S/E serie games. Well being a GBA game, it is restricted by its' graphical engine to a limited number of movements(just don't know why I said that).The storyline in these games could have been improved(but one like me just like it as it is), but I think that is better that the legendaries should stay hidden from the known zones and do NOT start a rampage against somebody. This is why they are legendaries: to live in places nobody can reach, to be considered rare and full of valor, to remain hidden from any eye and to do not disturb anybody else's life.

[ImJessieTR]

But you don't see Kyrogue and Groudon try to ruin the earth. You just see weather effects. They were still hidden away. We don't have to see Mewtwo destroying stuff. When you get back from the E4 and back to your hometown, the Professor could say that something dangerous has been attacking various places and when you go there people seem to be in shock and several buildings that you couldn't enter anyway could be rubble. That doesn't take a whole heckuva lot more power to do.

Following clues left in the damaged cities could bring you to the Unknown Dungeon or whatever, instead of finding him with screenshots in a strategy guide.

[Fuoorin]

Well u cannot expect such things happening in any GBA game, Pokemon R/S/E included, because, like I told you before, the 2D specific GBA engine limits the movements of anything in the game...probably in time, GBA games will have a much more advanced engine like the one in the present. I don't know why are you complaining about this.

[ImJessieTR]

I'm not complaining, sheesh...

I'm only saying that if you can already get characters who say different things once you beat the E4 and you can already show alterations in the environment (maybe just a different color scheme to denote damage?), then it should not be that hard. I'm not expecting something like FMV or anything. Just a couple of plot points written into the script.

[seaprince]

Normally, I can only catch one legendary because of the Masterball. Nevertheless, there are never too many legandaries.

[Magus]

On one hand, it makes sense for each region to have its own set of Legendaries, and thus new regions = new Legendaries. On the other hand, some of them have been pretty boring (hello there Regis). So I don't know. As long as they keep it reasonable (~5 Legendaries per new region) and make the Legendaries actually cool, I'm okay with it.

[Akerin]

if we say Red caught the birds and Mew/Mewtwo, why is Gold suddenly able to get them too?
There are probably more than one. It's already been proven that there are at least 3 Lugias in the anime... (the male from the movie, the mother in the anime who didn't talk, and the baby, Silver. Maybe even 4 if the one from the movie wasn't Silver's daddy). Also millions of Celebi, and if I remember right Deoxis had some friends too.

There has to be more than one Mew as well, considering the scientists who created Mewtwo found a fossil, but they were being watched from another Mew who was very much alive. I don't think the Mew in "Mew and The Wave Guiding Hero" is the same one that appeared in the first movie either, but that's just a hunch. n_n;

Infact, I believe there are only 3 Legendary Pokemon that there are truly one of a kind, and no more than that. Mewtwo (obviously), Latias, and Latios.

As for the actual topic... I love legendaries, but Ru/Sa/Em kind of over-did it, I think. :/ Let's keep it to less than 5 per generation, please.

[Unregistered]

all these people are like stop enough legendaries.Wats up with that.In emerald legendaries are really powerful. I saw my lvl 46 now lvl 49 latios take out a lvl 60 bagon in 1 psychic. In emerald you catch both kyogre and groudon plus their lvl 70. Harder to catch but stronger way stronger. My rayquaza is lvl 95 and my starter mudkip is now a lvl 65 swampert. I have a lvl 53 salamence and lvl 72 kyogre and groudon. I have a really strong team. Oh yeah I saw rayquaza being spelled rayquazza twice. Seriously some people dont know how to spell.

[Barb]

Infact, I believe there are only 3 Legendary Pokemon that there are truly one of a kind, and no more than that. Mewtwo (obviously), Latias, and Latios.
I believe that there are many Latios and Latias, not just the two that were seen in the movie. There is a legend about them, which was cut from the dub version of the movie. Here it is, translated by Murgatroyd:

"Long, long ago, on an island called Alto Mare, there lived an old man and an old woman. One day, the couple found two small children lying injured on the beach. Under the couple's gentle care, the children quickly became well. But then, without warning, the island was attacked by monsters. Within moments, the island fell to the monsters. And then...
Before the astonished eyes of the old man and lady, the children transformed. They were the Eon Pokémon, Latios and Latias. The two called their family from the sky. They came, and brought with them a stone with the power to drive away the monsters. This was the gem known as the "Soul Dew". Peace returned to the island. In the years that followed, the Latios and Latias family often visited the island where the Soul Dew rested. And since that time, the island has never again been attacked."

...Seriously some people dont know how to spell.
And some people, like you, don't know how to capitalize proper nouns or use punctuation correctly. :rolleyes:

[Akerin]

The two called their family from the sky. They came, and brought with them a stone with the power to drive away the monsters. This was the gem known as the "Soul Dew". Peace returned to the island. In the years that followed, the Latios and Latias family often visited the island where the Soul Dew rested.
Ahaa.. You see, I had heard the first part of that legend thing before, but I never heard the part about them calling their family. Ok. Changed my mind. XD Mewtwo must be the only one who's one of a kind after all.

[Barb]

There are at least two Deoxys, from what we see in the film. Perhaps 'legendary' Pokémon in their world are comparable to endangered species in ours?

[Dark Chromium Dragonite]

Ahh, the age old legendary debate. I still hold firm my stance from several years ago; Nintendo was pushing the limits at the legendary beasts and other legendary birds. I would have loved Ho-Oh to remain a mythical Pokemon that was only seen once in the series. It was a defining moment for Ash, I think, and Nintendo ruined that by elaborating on Ho-Oh.

Twenty one beasts, though...excessive. Nintendo should circulate some out by having them go "extinct".

[Meowth_queen_101]

I like some ledidaries but...I agree with them being too many, and I thought Ho-Oh was in another episode eccept for the first...Lugia I think is one of my favorites because it can lear Water, flying and Phycic moves. One of the most annoying and stupid also cheap pokemon is Deoxys and kyroge is not that bad but I never liked it...

[Perfect Darkness]

I think they need to chill with the legenderies. Or if they want to put them in, one per game! There were five from the first one anyway. And in R/S...six! They're great and all, but if they are going to be legenderies and if it's so great to have them, why have so many anyway?

~ Dark:148:

[FabuVinny]

The third generation has ten! (21 if you include the others that need to find a way back into your Pokédex.)

A few more in D/P is fine, just not that many.

[Meowth_queen_101]

Only two ledgendaries are in D?P becasue they are based on the 4th generation pokemon so the game won't be that bad...

[Moppi]

My stand on this is that if (whoever company is in charge of the concerned department..) gives them enough good reason to be in the storyline.. then why not?..

Gamewise.. it's totally tiring.. not being able to get them in a more easier way... you must attend some convention blah... like that's applicable to anyone. I think that's one reason why people hack the game...

[Pokemon Fan]

My stand on this is that if (whoever company is in charge of the concerned department..) gives them enough good reason to be in the storyline.. then why not?..
Indeed, there are hundreds, even thousands of legendary creatures in real world cultures, Pokemon legendaries haven't even begun to approach that number and still are few compared to the hundreds of other Pokemon, so how can anyone say there are too many?

However, one must admit that if they wish to make more god-like creator Pokemon they are running out of niches. We already have enough to account for most things in the Pokemon world (note I'm saying they have these roles even if there is more than one Rayquaza, Groudon etc.)

Mew: Creator/ancestor of all Pokemon.

Groudon: Creator of the land.

Kyogre: Creator of the seas.

Rayquaza: Guardian of the skies, balancer between the land and sea and protector of the Earth from extraterrestrial threats.

Lugia (special elite powerful individuals of their kind): Guardian of the seas.

Moltres/Articuno/Zapdos (special elite, powerful individuals of their kind): Maintainers of the world's weather.

Ho-oh: The embodiment of death and renewal and a sort of mediator between pokemon and humans.

Celebi: Guardian of the forests.

Suicune/Raikou/Entei: Emissaries of Ho-oh and guardians of pokemon of their respective elements, enforcers of order overall.

Registeel/Regirock/Regice: Human-made golems and/or special protectors used by the Tree of World Beginning (name may be off).

All the other legendaries seem to simply be rare Pokemon with extraordinary powers. Even Latios/Latias are guardians of a city only because they choose to be, just as Drake employs his Dragonite in the Orange Islands as the guardian of their island.

[Kai_Khizer]

hey i think more legandries are better becouse i want to know the secrets of them and want to see more powerfull pokemons

[FabuVinny]

You get powerful non-legendaries. Legendary status just seems to make them deserve more backstory.

[Kai_Khizer]

there are Many powerfull Legandries,atleast they are powerfull than usual Pokemons....

[FabuVinny]

I never denied their power. They are, after all, legendary. But there are also some very powerful Pokémon who are not legendaries.

[kokiri]

Yes! Enough legendaries already! Did you notice that they keep making more in every triad of games?

RBY-Mewtwo
GSC-Lugia + Ho-oh
RSE-Kyogre + Groudon + Rayquaza + Latios + Latias

It would be fine, but you still only get one Master Ball per game! We need either more Master Balls, or less Legendaries.

[FabuVinny]

Just learn to catch legendaries without a Master Ball. The introduction of Timer Balls in Ruby and Sapphire helped me immensely.

[Rapiido]

I think that all the regions should have legendaries. BUT. Only about 3-5 for each... not like the Hoenn region. O_o; Latias, Latios, Regirock, Registeel, Regice, Kyogre, Groudon, Rayqaza, Jirachi, Deoxys... 10. X.x

[*Colette*]

In R/S we hear only about Groudon and Kyorge. Regi Trio, Lati*s and Jirachi aren't that popular. Nobody says about them. I think, Regis are needless because they look weird and don't have own story.

[Rapiido]

Not really... They have their own story on the 8th movie.

[FabuVinny]

The Regis have the biggest backstory in the games! The only thing is that it is shrouded in mystery...

[Fuoorin]

Dunno if i should repeat this, but.... The Regis probably have a link with Deoxys's appearence, being the ones created by the alien pokemon; for this cause, i'd say it may be a greater story that could have a link with the other legendary stories aswell...

[doodler243]

Yeah the regis do have a story (and the best backstory in my opinion along with mew) and I remember thinking how interesting it was when I was playing I actually wanted to know more. But the story never really finished it was just sort of left (I feel).

[Ash-Tray]

hey i think more legandries are better becouse i want to know the secrets of them and want to see more powerfull pokemons

I agree. I mean look at how many lengends there are in the world. And don't forget ya usually see a Legendary in every pokemon movie.

[watergod]

I don't think there are too many legendaries and I definitely think some more should be added to each generation. What I like about legendaries is the challenge of catching finding and catching them and, more importantly, the back stories that come with them. I have noticed that so far each generation has one or two more legendaries than the others. Although I like legendaries, I hope this pattern doesn't continue and that they go back to only having about 5 per region.

[KuribohChamp]

My main beef is when in game characters have legendaries. I don't mind an additional set every new game arc, but when opponents are using Regis, legendary birds and beasts, it kind of guts the concept of them being nearly unique and historically important.

[Unregistered]

I think there should only be three legendaries. Rayquaza, Groudon, and Kyogre. They take all of the others' "special roles".

Oh, yeah. Deoxys is a space virus.

[bell02+]

Personally, I love Legendaries, and I love the mysteries behind them. Sometimes I also like the designs of them. Personally, I think the fair thing to do with them is to have other pokemon get as strong or stronger than legendaries at max level though incredibly difficult training. Because of that saying that some legends are made.

Personally though, I think more legends would be cool. Not necisarily monsters but lets say right now DP has Lucario and Manaphy, plus they probably have a trio. They also should have a few more (at least 1 or 2) to give more mystic back stories. It would be really fun if the games had deper elements to find out stories about new and old legendaries. You dive some where to find ruins, no monsters but a story of a great desaster is found. That would be a very cool side quest.

[Unregistered]

I know this is off topic, but cant latios and latias breed?

[FabuVinny]

Not according to my RS strategy guide. They are the only legendaries to have genders, though.

[jackisthemasterofwater]

There are still some more types which legendaries need to fill (*pokes normal*)

[RBYGSCRSFRLGEPD]

Agreed. *Pokes Dark*

But, yeah, I wish they bulked up on the mythos behind the legendaries instead of adding many more.

[Diamond Lugia]

i think they just about have enough. I would like to see a leaf/psychic legendary though

[Another Fan]

Celebi not satisfying?

[patapikachu]

What they need are legendaries of Poison, Bug and Ghost types.

[Diamond Lugia]

celebi isnt that much of a leaf although it is pyschic

[DratiniLover]

I think there are too many legendaries...

[Diamond Lugia]

21 legends= 6% out of 100%. my theory, couple more legends then it`l be fine

[MOD-SAN]

"Legendary" is supposed to mean "rare" or "hard to find." There are too darn many of them if you ask me :/ Their becoming more common than Pikachu! I say that 1-2 legendaries per generation is reasonable!

[patapikachu]

That's exaggerating. Legendaries are still at most 1 catchable each per gameplay. Nowhere near Pikachu's "rarity".

[Diamond Lugia]

is there a fighting type legendary?

[Diamond Lugia]

...............

[Another Fan]

No.

[charmellow]

not enough i need a pokemon with a gun then its enough!!!

[Ihfrett]

Legenderies are all right they are fun to catch and they are cool.

[Dark Fire]

I could have sworn I posted here before, but yeah. The more legendaries the better. They're pretty rad =P

Oddly I voted in the poll, but I didn't post =S

[Dark Dranzer]

Don't think so, involve some cat legendaries then I'll be satisfied. Get the "birds, cats, dogs" pattern happening

[RABicle]

Don't think so, involve some cat legendaries then I'll be satisfied. Get the "birds, cats, dogs" pattern happening
Mew and Mewtwo isn't enough? We need a team of cats now? Ugh.

Seriously Legendaries need to just leave Pokémon. They're horrible and theres now so many of them, that the term 'legendary' has lost signifigance. Back in the day, Mew, Zapdos, Moltres, Articuno, these guys STOOD APART they were unique enough to actually deserve the title of being legendary. NUP SORRY GUYS GOTTA HAVE MORE LEGENDARIES THIS ISN'T ENOUGH.

What's worse is the way these legendary pokemon can't even come in a variety of types. I mean how many phychic pokemon are legendary? I can quickly count five. Compare this to the number of pyschic pokemon in TOTAL and we have a problem. What else? Two fire birds? Piss off Nintendo.

It's just a sad state of affairs when once these Pokémon were unique and special enough to be set aside and regarded as legendaries when now there's a slew of these creatures, devaluing them as a whole.

not enough i need a pokemon with a gun then its enough!!!
People like you are the reason Shadow the Hedgehog exists. I pretty much hate you now.

[Charmander1428]

rabicle, gb2/khakain


and yeah, after diamond and pearl, which single handedly DOUBLED the amount of legendaries, i think there are too many.

[RABicle]

Charmander1428 use a consistent username.

Yeah what's with D/P I heard one of the new legendaries has higher base stats than Mewtwo! Whatever happened to the whole idea of Mewtwo being a genetically enhanced version of the strongest Pokémon ever? GAH!

[The Incarnation ポケモン]

G/R/B/Y - 5 legendaries (Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Mewtwo, Mew)
G/S/C - 6 legendaries (Suicune, Entei, Raikou, Lugia, Ho-oh, Celebi)
R/S/E - 9 legendaries (Regirock, Registeel, Regice, Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza, Latios, Latias, Jirachi) + Deoxys
D/P - 13 legendaries (Agunomu, Emuritto, Yukushii, Diaruga, Parukia, Giratina, Hiidoran, Regigigas, Creselia, Darkrai, Sheimi, Manaphy, Arseus) + Fione

It's not that we shouldn't have new legendaries with every generation, it's that recently we are getting TOO MANY with each new generation. What's next, exponentially increasing amounts of legendaries (that can all breed!) per game?

Yes, we do "need" new legendaries for new games, BUT SPACING THEM OUT WOULD BE NICE. Legendaries shouldn't come a dozen per game like eggs in a carton. >_<

[Blaziken fire]

um... have u noticed? there are 23 legendaries, if you include the ones in pokemon pearl and diamond (Dialga and Palkia). legendaries r ok, but there are way 2 many, n they r becoming more common than dragon-flying types. What ever happened to normal Kanto region days?

[Blaziken fire]

um... nevr mind.

[missingno!!]

I think there are WAY too many legendaries, but pokemon company have to keep cranking out legendaries so that people won't lose interest in pokemon, especially the games. Imagine a game where there are no legendaries to catch! No one would buy it! I think they have gone a bit overboard with the diamond and pearl legenadies though, there are like...20!

[Steelia]

Too many legends? That's crazy talk! :P
Legends are the BEST types. It's one of the main reasons I keep checking out the games... If the legends are good, I'm content with the generation. Heh heh heh...

1.) Articuno
2.) Zapdos
3.) Moltres
4.) Mewtwo - clone of Mew
5.) Mew - ancestor of all Pokemon (debated with Aruseus)
6.) Raikou
7.) Entei
8.) Suicune
9.) Lugia - leader of Three Legendary Birds
10.) Ho-oh - leader of Three Legendary Cats/Dogs/Whatever they are
11.) Celebi - time travel (connected with Diaruga)
12.) Regirock
13.) Regice
14.) Registeel
15.) Latios - brother of Latias
16.) Latias - sister of Latios
17.) Kyogre - rival of Groudon
18.) Groudon - rival of Kyogre
19.) Rayquaza - the "peacemaker" for feuding Groudon and Kyogre
20.) Jirachi
21.) Deoxys - created in space (connected to Parukia)
22.) Yukishii
23.) Emuritto
24.) Agunomu
25.) Hiidoran
26.) Darkrai - connected with Kureseria (Darkrai lives on New Moon Island)
27.) Kureseria - connected with Darkrai; lives on Full Moon Island
28.) Regigigas - leader of the Regi's
29.) Diaruga - ruler of time (Celebi)
30.) Parukia - ruler of space (Deoxys)
31.) Giratina - dwells in opposite world (kind of a "Netherworld")
32.) Sheimi
33.) Manaphy - somewhat related to Kyogre
34.) Fione - child of Manaphy
35.) Aruseus - creator of universe, three Legendary Dragons, Psychic Trio, and possibly the Trinity (Groudon, Kyogre, Rayquaza) -- debated to be creator of Pokemon other than Mew



The only problem is... It isn't that there's too many legendaries... It's that there isn't enough slots in a Pokemon party to hold them all!! We need about, maybe, 8 slots, if that, to have a "satisfying" Poke-party.

[Bird of Ice]

I don't think there are too many legendaries, but I must admit that I am disgusted with the supremacy (did I spell that correctly, I can't spell to save my life!) that the newer generation legendaries are taking over the older ones. At one point in time, the legendary birds of Kanto were considered to be immortal Titans of incredible power, now, they are mortal and even non-unique!
Lugia and Ho-oh are considered more powerfull than the original three...I just hate that! Why should two of the legendary birds be greater than the other three?! I hear people saying that Articuno, Zapdos and Moltres "answer" to Lugia and I am outraged. Mabey I'm just old-fashioned, but in my mind, all five of the Legendary birds are of equal power and always will be...but that's just me.

[Another Fan]

The reason the other two got more power cause without it they are just mismatched and boring. Yeah.

Not that I see the originals as mortal.

[Charmander to the rescue]

I can see the role of more legendaries but I think they should be more imaginative with them. Think of Lugia, it is graceful and powerful to keep the legendary birds at balance. Now think of the Regi's, they have no purpose whatsoever and can be beatan by weak pokemon TEN levels below them.
P.S. Note to TRF-chan, they have made another regi for Diamond and Pearl: Regi-gas, I know I'm mad too. Where did the originality go. Oh and Bird of Ice the three legendary birds actually fight with Lugia a lot, admittedly they do lose a lot. If new legendaries take over the old ones we'll be stuck with naff, unoriginal D&P ones. NOOOOOOO!!!!

[Kanto Ryder]

I sometimes get Celebi and Jirache confused, I would say Deoxys is pointless but I guess the creators just Had to have a space legendary Pokemon, and I think the regi.s should have some kind of power to teleport because they are to slow to guard anything, also latios and latias arent that legendary because there is more then one of each. so yeah there are to many but, imagine it as a whole world of Pokemon instead of just three islands, it proballu wouldn't be enuff...

[Glitched]

1) Moltres (bird of fire)
2) Articuno (bird of ice)
3) Zapdos (bird of lightning)

These three are fine in my book, being the first Legendary trio.

4) Mewtwo (psychic alien/mutant)
5) Mew

I have nothing against these, especially not Mew. >_~ However, isn't Mewtwo a clone, not an alien?

6) Suicune (wolf of north wind)
7) Entei (lion of fire)
8) Raikou (tiger of lightning)

Another Trio, different from the last. They're fine.

9) Celebi (forest spirit)

The first Grass Legendary. Yay.

10) Lugia (guardian of ocean currents)
11) Ho-oh (phoenix)

I suppose these two are okay. Ho-Oh does seem a bit similar to Moltres, though...

12) Regirock (tomb guardian)
13) Registeel (tomb guardian)
14) Regice (tomb guardian)

This is another Legendary Trio. Clearly, there is a theme going on, no? A Trio for each game... why single out the Regis?

15) Latias
16) Latios

Original, as they are the first gendered Legendaries.

17) Kyogre (builder of sea)
18) Groudon (builder of land)

I'm not sure why, but something makes me really not like these two... they seem somewhat remiscient of Lugia and Ho-Oh.

19) Rayquaza (dragon of the sky)

The Mewtwo of R/S/E. Seems okay...

20) Jirachi (the miracle Pokemon)

Jirachi cannot be excluded on the grounds that it is the Event Pokemon of the R/S/E series, similar to Mew and Celebi in avaliability and in appearance.

21) Deoxys (alien/mutant)

I dun like Deoxys. It's entirely uncalled for, really...

So, aside from Deoxys, Kyogre, and Groudon, none of the others seem too unnecessary or repetitive to me... but that's just my opinion.

[Habunake]

I have too say I find the DP Ledgends overall more appealing....even if I do think there are quite a bit...

[Pokemaster Justin]

there are wayyyy too many I think they sorta lost their appeal after there became so many of them.

[Habunake]

One thing I do dislike is the amount of Psychic Ledgends....

[Mewiscool]

I think they need a new category-"The Super Legends" to fit Mew,Mewtwo & a few others.

[Bird of Ice]

I mentioned this on an other thread, but I throw it out here as well... I think there should be a pair of legendaries that represent the forces of Yin and Yang. Yin could be well represented by a female dark/water legendary and Yang could be a male psychic/fire pokemon (sorry to think of adding yet an other psychic legendary to the pile, Habunake.) The only problem with this would be the fact the the Yin pokemon would have a serious advantage over the Yang one...

[Mewiscool]

Just go with Ghost/Dragon for both then its on thier individual STATS

Their arent even any Dark ones
Bug would be nice as it takes out Psychic + Dark Legends
Fighting would be cool
DISCOUNTING THE DUMB REGI's:
Normal sucks so none of these
Rock + Steel would be nice

[ShinyRayquaza]

I personally think that there are too many Legendaries in Pokemon. Let's go down the list of legendary Pokemon and their roles:

1) Moltres (bird of fire)
2) Articuno (bird of ice)
3) Zapdos (bird of lightning)
4) Mewtwo (psychic alien/mutant)
5) Mew
6) Suicune (wolf of north wind)
7) Entei (lion of fire)
8) Raikou (tiger of lightning)
9) Celebi (forest spirit)
10) Lugia (guardian of ocean currents)
11) Ho-oh (phoenix)
12) Regirock (tomb guardian)
13) Registeel (tomb guardian)
14) Regice (tomb guardian)
15) Latias
16) Latios
17) Kyogre (builder of sea)
18) Groudon (builder of land)
19) Rayquaza (dragon of the sky)
20) Jirachi (the miracle Pokemon)
21) Deoxys (alien/mutant)

Honestly, I feel that 21 is already more than enough. So, is there anybody who agrees that enough is enough, or do people want even more Legendaries?



Heyheyheyhey!! Ya forget Diamond&Pearl legendarys! They are:

22) Dialga (time's creator)
23) Palkia (space's creator)
24) Mesprit (one of lake trio, fairy-liking creature)
25) Uxie (one of lake trio, fairy-liking creature)
26) Azelf (one of lake trio, fairy-liking creature)
27) Giratina
28) Shaymin
29) Manaphy
30) Phione
31) Darkrai (creates bad dreams)
32) Cresselia (prevents bad dreams)
33) Arceus (creator of Mesprit, Uxie, Azelf, Dialga and Palkia)
34) Heatran
35) Regigigas


There's actually 35 legendarys.

[ShinyRayquaza]

Just go with Ghost/Dragon for both then its on thier individual STATS

Their arent even any Dark ones
Bug would be nice as it takes out Psychic + Dark Legends
Fighting would be cool
DISCOUNTING THE DUMB REGI's:
Normal sucks so none of these
Rock + Steel would be nice


There is dark, hey Darkrai. Me and my friend, we're created own Pokéworld(i CAN'T remember that's name XD) and there is one legendary(Darknesscus) which is Dark/Psychic type.

[Atarifever1982Atari2600]

well what do you guys want? Gen V game with NO legendaries? You need to have a 2 game specific legends, a third one so they can make a third game, then a trio you get after E4..and then a coulpe more thrown in to keep the story moving. Thats just the way it is.

[llxwarbirdxll]

Heyheyheyhey!! Ya forget Diamond&Pearl legendarys! They are:

22) Dialga (time's creator)
23) Palkia (space's creator)
24) Mesprit (one of lake trio, fairy-liking creature)
25) Uxie (one of lake trio, fairy-liking creature)
26) Azelf (one of lake trio, fairy-liking creature)
27) Giratina
28) Shaymin
29) Manaphy
30) Phione
31) Darkrai (creates bad dreams)
32) Cresselia (prevents bad dreams)
33) Arceus (creator of Mesprit, Uxie, Azelf, Dialga and Palkia)
34) Heatran
35) Regigigas


There's actually 35 legendarys.Maybe he "forgot" because this topic was created three years ago. Also, you revived a topic that was dead for over half a year.

[GrnMarvl13]

Maybe he "forgot" because this topic was created three years ago. Also, you revived a topic that was dead for over half a year.

And THAT'S why he received an infraction to that extent.

[qwerty2263]

I would say that they should give some purpose to exisisting legends. I think cresseilia's entire purpose is to give Darkari a counterpart.

[charizard_tamer123]

well just make them all gettable.(mewmewmew!!!)

[Cheesus Is Lord]

Although I think it's necessary to have a few legendaries per game, the amount that have come out in Generation III and IV is just ridiculous.

The thing that really bothers me though is the number of event legendaries. One per game maximum is okay, but forcing this major hassle on the players seems really cruel to me. There were two in Gen III and three in Gen IV. That's just too many.

[Splinter6]

You forgot the sinnoh legendaries.

[iPoké]

I'm wondering if you noticed that the original post was made in 2004, and was bumped by a user, and was once again bumped by you.

[Kyogre-Lover]

I like Legendaries. I love Kyogre.

[IndigoUmbreon]

Although I think it's necessary to have a few legendaries per game, the amount that have come out in Generation III and IV is just ridiculous.

The thing that really bothers me though is the number of event legendaries. One per game maximum is okay, but forcing this major hassle on the players seems really cruel to me. There were two in Gen III and three in Gen IV. That's just too many.

Yeah, I agree with you. In the 1st gen, we had the birds and Mewtwo. 2nd gen we had Hoh-oh, Lugia and Celebi. Okay, still cool. But in the 3rd gen, they pile on the Regis, Lati@s and the earth/water/sky trio all at once! And in the 4th gen, they just had to add Dialga/Palkia, Cresselia/Giratina, Darkrai, Regigas, Heatran, Arceus, the lake trio, Manaphy/Phione and Shaymin. I'm not against the idea of legendaires, just the idea of too many legendaries.

[Rhapsodyz]

Here's my opinion, as stated many times before in this thread, I like legendaries and like the ideas of new ones but at the same time they need to hold their horses. I mean c'mon, with Diamond and Pearl they nearly doubled; add the guarenteed third game and there you go. In each game you can expect a mega pokemon and its counterpart. Granted they need to lie off the 'This pokemon was so great and powerful blah blah blah.' You can only have so many pokemon like that without going stale :/ They need more legendaries that had some effect but weren't necessarily mega if you know what I mean. Goin back to one for each game and its counterpart. The current pattern is for a third one as well as well as a trio and couple more thrown in :/ Personally what I would like to see is some legendaries being carried over in games as the term 'legendary' (in the games) simply means a rare pokemon that there isn't necessarily one of. Have a few new ones, that are DIFFERENT and actually had a built off backstory as well as some older ones.
A bit off subject but is it me or have the games gotten a lot easier? I mean I don't mind easy like Ruby, Saphire, and perhaps Emerald were but Pearl/Diomand is just ridiculous. The only challenge it holds is the fact that it is new and your not used to the gameplay but even then. It doesn't even seem to have a solid storyline behind it, granted I only got the game recently and am only over halfway through it. Not to sound like older person reminiscing about the old days but Blue-Crystal were a lot harder in my opinion because it wasn't as obvious.

[Shinx3000]

Yeah, I think there mya be too many legendaries. Lets see:

Gen 1: Mew/Mewtwo, Zapdos/Articuno/Moltres
Gen 2: Ho-oh/Lugia, Entei/Raikou/Suicune, Celebi
Gen 3: Kyrogue/Goudron, Rayquaza, Latias/Latios, Regirock/Regice/Registeel, Detoxys/Jirichi
Gen 4: Dialga/Palkia, Cresselia/Giratina, Darkrai, Regigas, Heatran, Arceus, Manaphy/Phione, Mespirit/Uxie/Axelf

Gen 1 had 5
Gen 2 had 6
Gen 3 had 10
Gen 4 had 13

Just a thought, why does each region need to have legends in it? I do like the idea of legends, but there is a bit much now in gen IV don't you think?

I liked the idea of rapidash arkanine being considered likelegends, but not actually legend types... maybe put a few pokemon that have that... are powerful but have no other signifigance.

If they still wanted to make pokemon like legends, maybe they could make it different somehow.. like, instead of the pokemon haveing a major signifigance like Dialga/Palkia creating the Sinnoh region, they could just be one of a kind pokemon that only a few people have seen but know little about? They don't even have to look very unique or like monsters as most other legends have, except Manphy/Pieone, celebi and Shaymen

Maybe even make them unique because they are uber rare like celebi but are just as good as any other similar pokemon. If they were to be legend types, we need bug, grass, or fighting types or even a normal legendary perhaps? Could make a legend based of something like the red garydos, but make it that this pokemon was originally another pokemon but got mutated somehow, could be by pollution or something, causing it to change and become different?

[Glinneh]

I want to know how the next generation legendaries will be better than Arceus. If it is in fact possible.

[Blackjack Palazzo]

That'll be simple. Arceus is just *said* to have created the universe. We don't know if it actually *did*.

[GrnMarvl13]

I want to know how the next generation legendaries will be better than Arceus. If it is in fact possible.

We have the supposed creator. Why not the destined destroyer?

[Glinneh]

IT'S THE ANTI-ARCEUS!!!

...Wait, what?

[Pidger]

I think that nintendo should start making you have to find legendary pokemon eggs and have the legendarys have pre-evolved forms

[Menx]

In D/P there are to many legendaries but over all I don't think there are to many.

[Swampert tamer]

In my opinion the are already enough legendaries for the next two generations... I mean, sure they are powerful and popular but I don't thinkb that increasing the number of legendary pokemon introduced in every generation is a good idea. In the I there were five, in the II they were six and the number keeps increasing... this way I think Nintendo is gonna stay whitout any ideas for new legendaries... It looks like a legendary pokemon is becoming a more and more common class of pokemon as time goes by.

[Ugozima]

Just to clear everything up, here is a completely updated list of lengendaries, grouped my way:

**Gen I (5 new)**
*The Birds Trio*
1)Articuno (the bird of ice and snow)
2)Zapdos (the bird of thunder, lightning, and electricity)
3)Moltres (the bird of fire and lava)
*The Mews Duo*
1)Mew (the felinid ancestor of all Pokémon; creator of life itself)
2)Mewtwo (a lab experiment gone wrong; maxed-out clone of Mew)


**Gen II (6 new)**
*The Monsters Trio*
1)Raikou (the monster of thunder, lightning, and electricity)
2)Suicune (the monster of the North Wind and purity; mascot of Crystal)
3)Entei (the monster of fire, lava, and volcanoes)
*The Guardians Trio*
1)Ho-Oh (the guardian of the sky and Tin Tower; mascot of Gold)
2)Lugia (the guardian of the sea and the Whirl Islands; mascot of Silver)
3)Celebi (the time-traveling guardian of the forests)


**Gen III (10 new)**
*The Regis Trio*
1)Regirock (the golem of rock)
2)Regice (the golem of ice)
3)Registeel (the golem of metal)
*The Lati@s Duo*
1)Latias (female Lati@s; Soul Dew and Alto Mare guardian)
2)Latios (male Lati@s; Soul Dew and Alto Mare guardian)
*The Habitat Trio*
1)Kyogre (the expander of the sea; mascot of Sapphire)
2)Groudon (the expander of the continents; mascot of Ruby)
3)Rayquaza (the expander of the atmosphere; mascot of Emerald)
*The Comet Duo*
1)Jirachi (the wish granting fairy legend awakened by a comet)
2)Deoxys (a mutated virus that fell to Pokéarth on a comet)


**Gen IV (14 new)**
*The Fairies Trio*
1)Mesprit (the fairy of emotion)
2)Azelf (the fairy of willpower)
3)Uxie (the fairy of intelligence)
*The Mount Coronet Quartet*
1)Palkia (the creator of space; mascot of Pearl)
2)Dialga (the creator of time; mascot of Diamond)
3)Giratina (the creator of darkness and the Torn World; mascot of Platinum)
4)Arceus (the type-shifting creator of the universe)
*The Moon Duo*
1)Darkrai (the creator of everlasting nightmares; appears on Batonnage boxart)
2)Cresselia (the female banisher and preventer of Darkrai's nightmares)
*The Seas Duo*
1)Manaphy (the heart-swapping Prince of the Sea)
2)Phione (the child of a Manaphy and Ditto breed)
*The Northernmost Trio*
1)Regigigas (the Regis Trio's keeper who tows continents)
2)Shaymin (the hedgehog-like legend of flowers, grass, and purity)
3)Heatran (the gender-definite lava borne guardian of Stark Mountain; appears on Batonnage boxart)

~~~~~

There are some odd groupings, such as the Comet Duo and the Northernmost Trio, but I can explain:

The Comet Duo is grouped because both have a certain relation to comets. Jirachi was awakened by one, Deoxys fell to Pokéarth on one.

The Northernmost Trio is grouped simply because they are found in the absolute northernmost areas of Sinnoh, and known Pokéarth for that matter: Stark Mountain, Snowpoint Temple, and Flower Paradise.

Arceus and Giratina are grouped in the Mount Coronet Quartet because Arceus can be reached at Spear Pillar with the help of the Azure Flute, and Giratina will appear there in Platinum.

Celebi is grouped in the Guardians Trio because it guards Pokéarth's forests.

~~~~~

All in all, there are a whopping 35 legendaries, and there are going to be more. What would be the point of Gen V if there are no legends? Without legends, there's no plot. Duh.

[Shinx3000]

Well, why does every generation need to have legendaries? It seems that every region (near enough)in pokemon world that we have seen, have legendaries in them. The way I see it, we don't really need more lgenedarie in next gen, but it would be not so good without trying to obtain some special pokemon... yeah no plot.

Maybe make what's been guessed, true, that there is more than one articuno and it could be obtained next gen in game?

You could maybe have a celebi in next gen too obtainable in game. Maybe one could take you to the future and you'd capture some futuristic pokemon that is part of the storyline rather than using more new legendaries?

[Blackjack Palazzo]

Well, why does every generation need to have legendaries? It seems that every region (near enough)in pokemon world that we have seen, have legendaries in them.

Well, it makes sense. Everywhere that's inhabited, there's legends.

[GrnMarvl13]

Well, it makes sense. Everywhere that's inhabited, there's legends.

Bingo. Also explains why the different regions don't have the same legendaries (usually), and explains how multiple Pokemon would be able to inhabit the same (general) legends.

[SakuyamonX]

It makes sense there are more legendaries, as I'm sure the gap between generations will get longer and longer and they're going to need to fill in the movies in between.

[MONKOBUT666]

I do sort of because they protect the legends.

[MONKOBUT666]

I think that the legends have extended wayyyyyyyy to far. the other hand is though that the company needs rare pokemon so peps will stay hooked to pokemon becase its that or people would be less intersted without new pokemon. soon they will probably start "killing" the old ones and they will like be super money makers and will sell them under the table for mony to make new ones to replace the old ones.

[iPoké]

I think that the legends have extended wayyyyyyyy to far. the other hand is though that the company needs rare pokemon so peps will stay hooked to pokemon becase its that or people would be less intersted without new pokemon. soon they will probably start "killing" the old ones and they will like be super money makers and will sell them under the table for mony to make new ones to replace the old ones.

You make absolutely no sense, at all.

First of all, you extended the word "way" way too far.

Second, people don't buy these games soley for the legendary Pokemon. Game Freak would have gone wrong soemwhere along the line if the only reason we play this game is because of Dialga and Palkia's sheer awsomeness.

Third, have you seent he amount of Kanto Nostalgics? People would be content if they merely moderated the amount of new Pokemona dded. If they were to kill off old classics, they would likely kill of a good portion of their fanbase.

They did go overboard this generation though. Needs less legendaries, more unique Pokemon, and also slightly less evos of oldies (though don't get rid of them completely like in the third generation)